Nigel Posted December 3, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, tomav84 said: **** me if chelsea wanted only 20m we'd bite their hand off and we wouldn't be the only ones...we rejected 25m for jack. chelsea will hang on to him especially with the home grown player rules. we get promoted i'd like to have a go at getting him - would probably have to insert a buy back clause or something with chelsea though. the guy will be an england regular in 5 years time i have no doubt The point is we cant be affording such massive figures in January which was the original question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robtaylor200 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 11 hours ago, sir_gary_cahill said: I respect your opinion but that’s all I’m going to say, I couldn’t disagree more, I’ll leave it there You mean If I was to agree with you, to stop this banter Then we would both be wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 30 minutes ago, Zatman said: In current market we are looking at 30-35 million transfer No way we are spending that regardless of league That's speculation. We have no idea what the owners will be spending.the point is we can afford him as a premier league club. It's loose change to these owners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 12 hours ago, Dave-R said: My negativity towards loans is simply they are loans, they are not ours to benefit from in anyway apart from having them at our club for the loan spell. While we're having loaners in spots I also see it as players who are actually ours are missing out on spots they should be taking up but at the moment that bit can't be helped. Remember loaners who are coming in from other clubs in the premiere are left to rot on the bench and as I said these new fifa rules can't come in fast enough. Premiere sides have to slash there hoarding of players because they are holding on to talent for the money, players like Tuanzebe, Tammy and Bolasie are all but frustrated. Championship clubs can't get the likes of these star players because we are made to secure them as loans only. Its frustrating for us and other clubs, the players who came here and revived a career that basically got took from them all because there current club decided to push them away to bring in more in form talent, which in turn is wrong and sees them sidelined. I see alot wrong in the way the top bunch of clubs in the premiere operate with players. Chelsea have a what 40 man squad if not over and they have more than 8 out on loan at the moment and it's all for the money. The new rules come in and clubs have to shrink to 28 players, only have a max of 8 out on loan which is much better. To think at first Tammy was reluctant to come to us, yet since he's been here I bet that view has completely changed. I do wonder what Tammy himself has to say about the possibility of being recalled all to just be sidelined again, I bet Chelsea wouldn't put him back in first team football or if they did as soon as he stopped scoring would be sidelined again. We have done Chelsea's and manchester uniteds job for them, they should of been working with these youngsters day in day out. Weve brought them in seen there worth and now at any point could be recalled in January and it's most likely to talk more money or too cash in on them to another club showing interest, because of how well theyve played under us not because they want these players to play as we do as we see them as stars. That's why I say if we're to secure loans there should be an option to buy slapped on the contract as there forms returns under us not Chelsea or Manchester united or everton. We should be having these loans permanent but bruce didn't do it or even try for the three of them, another cock up by the dinosoaur if you ask me.. You have to remember that in the summer we were in a dire situation with FFP, it is likely we still are. There was no way we could have obtained all of the players we needed without using the loan market, it has massively benefitted us. I agree that Chelsea use it in a crazy way, but there are no laws against it and so for the time being they are utilising the loan market in a clever way. Each season they are loaning players out and adding value to them should they decide they no longer require them. Nathan Ake is the perfect example of this. I understand that our own youth players are not being pushed into the first team, but unfortunately we had no players of the quality of Abraham, Bolasie, El Ghazi or Tuanzebe and so are best option was to loan. The same goes the other way, we have sent players out this season who may have struggled to get into the first team so they can get experience to bring them on next season (Smith may feel differently about some of these in January), Clarke, Suliman, Green, Lyden are all players that needed regular first team football rather than U23 football. Come January I believe we should also be sending out O'Hare, Davis, Hepburn-Murphy and Doyle-Hayes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Zatman said: In current market we are looking at 30-35 million transfer No way we are spending that regardless of league We would need to if we're to compete in the premiere, sorry but I think that would be it for our strikers, don't think they are premiere talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Zatman said: In current market we are looking at 30-35 million transfer No way we are spending that regardless of league And he didn't do that well in the PL when he was with Swansea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted December 3, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 3, 2018 30 minutes ago, hippo said: And he didn't do that well in the PL when he was with Swansea Chelsea fans seem to think this was because Swansea failed to make chances for him. They may have a point. Hopefully there are still question marks so b he can stay here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Im convinced Abraham is a PL quality striker in the making. Swansea were shite. I also think we'll spend big money on the right players. Whether that will be Tammy remains to be seen. He seems happy though here and I just cant see Chelsea giving him the extended chance he'd need. They didn't even do it with Lukaku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted December 3, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 3, 2018 We can hope that Chelsea do this the proper Chelsea way ...buy their way out of trouble! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted December 3, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 3, 2018 Lets make it happen guys and gals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Mazrim said: Im convinced Abraham is a PL quality striker in the making. Swansea were shite. I also think we'll spend big money on the right players. Whether that will be Tammy remains to be seen. He seems happy though here and I just cant see Chelsea giving him the extended chance he'd need. They didn't even do it with Lukaku. Yes I think he is PL quality too. But I don't think Abraham being happy is significant. Its down to if Chelsea want to recall him. Apparently they have an anytime option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted December 3, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 3, 2018 If they have an anytime option why is so much being made of January? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted December 3, 2018 Moderator Share Posted December 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, Nigel said: If they have an anytime option why is so much being made of January? Maybe he's a fallback option in January if they can't sign someone. EDIT : Or maybe the papers are talking shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted December 3, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, BOF said: Maybe he's a fallback option in January if they can't sign someone. EDIT : Or maybe the papers are talking shit. Fingers crossed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I think it is shit talking tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted December 3, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Nigel said: If they have an anytime option why is so much being made of January? I believe under the loan rules both clubs have to sign off on recalling the loan outside the January window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted December 3, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 3, 2018 22 minutes ago, Rds1983 said: I believe under the loan rules both clubs have to sign off on recalling the loan outside the January window. For outside of January its kind of pointless then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Makes sense. Clubs can get shafted otherwise. If we lost Abraham it would really and unfairly affect us. We might have bought somebody else permanently. It shouldn't be at the whim of the parent club and to be fair to Chelsea I don't think theyve done it before either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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villan-scott Posted December 3, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 3, 2018 Had a mate who’s a Leeds fan texting me today saying about Tammy being recalled. Obviously scared of us coming for them. I of course told him I believe the paper story to be total b***ocks! Can’t wait to do them in a few weeks with Tammy on the scoresheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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