KentVillan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 One interesting angle is that it shows how democracies can make bad allies. The current trend in the West for incoming govts tearing up everything their predecessors have done is particularly damaging in the foreign policy arena, where so much diplomacy is based on personal promises and assumptions of good faith. Trump doesn't seem to realise / care about the long-term damage he will do to America's ability to strike deals in future if he just unilaterally reneges on carefully negotiated arrangements. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, KentVillan said: One interesting angle is that it shows how democracies can make bad allies. The current trend in the West for incoming govts tearing up everything their predecessors have done is particularly damaging in the foreign policy arena, where so much diplomacy is based on personal promises and assumptions of good faith. Trump doesn't seem to realise / care about the long-term damage he will do to America's ability to strike deals in future if he just unilaterally reneges on carefully negotiated arrangements. That ship may have sailed. It's hard to think that anyone but the most gullible will trust the US to keep its word. Against that, here's an argument made with integrity, from the right of the political spectrum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LondonLax Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Exactly, one or two got strangely triggered on here. ‘Triggered’? Is that one of those internet buzz words? It’s a message board and your response was clearly ambiguous, some people took it one way and others seem to have taken it another. You might need to make yourself clearer in future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 7, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2020 Eeeek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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maqroll Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Well, here goes WW3. It was nice knowing you guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Well that’s just great... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeVillan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) What will happen now? Edited January 7, 2020 by TreeVillan Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Can we still get Januzaj on loan? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 anything from a reliable news source yet ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: anything from a reliable news source yet ? C’mon man, Mark Hughes from Hollywood has got a blue tick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 8, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: anything from a reliable news source yet ? Is Sky? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tayls Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: anything from a reliable news source yet ? @Awol aghhhhhh! I’m scared. Edited January 8, 2020 by Tayls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Is Sky? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) The problem is that these "US military bases" house loads of Coalition troops, so Iran has effectively declared war on quite a few countries. Eurgh, I feel sick. Edited January 8, 2020 by KentVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Both the Al-Asal base and one in Erbil hit apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 And this is all happening because Trump is trying (and succeeding) in distracting voters from his Impeachment trial. Sorry, world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Just ordered Proof of Conspiracy: How Trump's International Collusion Is Threatening American Democracy by Seth Abramson. Quote "[Proof of Conspiracy] alleges a 'Red Sea Conspiracy' hatched in 2015 by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed of the United Arab Emirates and then Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia. Their plan....was to illicitly help Donald Trump's presidential campaign in order to gain his support for a 'grand bargain' that would end U.S. sanctions on Russia in exchange for Vladimir Putin's help in evicting Iran from Syria, pave the way for dozens of new Saudi and Emirati nuclear plants, and forge an anti-Iranian, pro-Israeli military alliance among Sunni Arab nations....[CNN analyst Abramson] traces labyrinths of murky 'ties,' meetings, and business deals....[and offers] serious criticisms of Trump's foreign policy, including his support of the Saudi regime's brutal war in Yemen." ―Publishers Weekly Going to give this a good read. The author has been Tweeting: Anyway, think we're about to see what the US retaliation looks like. This is sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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