Dodgyknees Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: And if we get another case like Jean Charles de Menezes, who cares!? Killing innocent people is worth it for the end goal. I sound like Blair justifying the Iraq war! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 24, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted May 24, 2017 Alex Jones can go **** himself. Evil word removed. As for Bellew. Usual right on bluster. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Just have to wait until 2054 and then we should have Minority Report style Pre-Cogs on the police force. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 The problem with proactive action based on opinion rather than action is the kind of action that reinforces extremist opinion and only works to justify it to them even more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 24, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Not saying I agree with it, but it's very often the case that these attacks are carried about by people 'known' to police, but of course, not in prison. If these attacks become more frequent, which is of course entirely possible, then I can imagine that the deportation solution will be much more on the 'table'. Then it's really a trade off as what people actually want, potentially being safer at the cost of a clear infringement of human rights. I can imagine it going down well with a lot of voters. It's a monumentally stupid idea. Here's a few reasons why, in question form: 1. Does throwing out Muslims from this country increase or decrease the "recruiting tools" used by the likes of ISIL against the UK? - "Look they hate Muslims, they victimise people who've done no crime" 2.Once someone "known to the security services and thought to be a risk" is thrown out of the UK, do they have a better or worse chance of tracking them and preventing any actual crime/terror act? 3. When the "powers that be" have the, er, powers to arrest and deport anyone without trial is the fair and balanced "rule of law" made more or less legitimate? 4. If we send various dodgepots and barmyists to abroadia, will abroadia-land be grateful to the UK, or will they resent us "exporting a terror problem"? There are plenbty more reasons not to do it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, blandy said: It's a monumentally stupid idea. Here's a few reasons why, in question form: 1. Does throwing out Muslims from this country increase or decrease the "recruiting tools" used by the likes of ISIL against the UK? - "Look they hate Muslims, they victimise people who've done no crime" 2.Once someone "known to the security services and thought to be a risk" is thrown out of the UK, do they have a better or worse chance of tracking them and preventing any actual crime/terror act? 3. When the "powers that be" have the, er, powers to arrest and deport anyone without trial is the fair and balanced "rule of law" made more or less legitimate? 4. If we send various dodgepots and barmyists to abroadia, will abroadia-land be grateful to the UK, or will they resent us "exporting a terror problem"? There are plenbty more reasons not to do it. I agree. But this is where the discourse on this issue is heading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted May 24, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted May 24, 2017 7 hours ago, mykeyb said: Of the 3000 plus on the current watchlist how many do you think are 100% innocent? The law says all of them are. Don't you respect the law? People who don't show respect for the law should be deported, we can't have people with no respect for the laws of the land swanning about freely in these dangerous times. You've got 5 minutes, get your things together - pack a coat, it's cold in Siberia 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 20 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Man who loves fighting, wants to fight. What a tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Awol Posted May 24, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 24, 2017 34 minutes ago, Jareth said: Well they are achieving their aim, it is absolutely terrifying to know that the bomber was a mule and that there is a bomb maker out there. Just cannot see this being stopped before somewhere else is hit and soon, even today. Time to stay put and stay away from crowds or public transport, if that is possible until this one is sorted. Sadly that's a very big pool of people, 100's of British ISIS and AQ graduates just for starters. Having caught up on the thread it's worth noting a few things. The raising of the threat level is the responsibility of JTAC (Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre) which is a collaborative body independent of the Executive arm of the Government. That's what triggers the availability of troops to the Police, to be employed at the discretion of the Police and under the Police chain of command. The chances that this guy was working alone are slim. The fact he is British but has familial roots in MENA is significant, so the fact he is British born isn't the be all and end all. It was the familial links back to Pakistan that facilitated the training and planning of the 7/7 attacks. Simply saying "ah but they are home grown" misses the linkages that are crucial to these attacks. It's not true to say that these attacks and others like them have no relationship to the Islamic faith. It's an extreme manifestation of a extreme interpretation of the faith, but it also happens to be the best funded, propagated and proselytising interpretation of Islam centred on the Saudi state. It's also untrue to say that no mosques in this country are pushing out hateful, murderous rhetoric. Channel 4 has produced several iterations of its "Undercover Mosque" investigations and it's chilling watching. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: I agree. But this is where the discourse on this issue is heading. Round up all "known terror suspects" and place them in a sizeable warehouse-esque large room. Play Bob Marley on repeat. Burn that special weed in the corners of the room once every few hours. Problem solved, everyone happy. No more wars or terror attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, blandy said: 1. Does throwing out "Suspected terrorists" from this country increase or decrease the "recruiting tools" used by the likes of ISIL against the UK? - "Look they hate Muslims, they victimise people who've done no crime" If the blockhead who blew himself up on Monday for IS was John Smith and was born and bred in Manchester would we say he was christian? a muslim? or just a terrorist? Edited May 24, 2017 by mykeyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 24, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Keyblade said: Deporting British citizens? Does this also apply to white nationalist extremists or just the brown ones? Just the Brown ones, obviously! - the pro-deport people on the twitter etc. are not animals, you know..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Deport all da terrarists to Scotland. Give Scotland itz indapendunce back . 2 birdz one stone. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, mykeyb said: If the blockhead who blew himself up on Monday for IS was John Smith and was born and bred in Manchester would we say he was christian? a muslim? or just a terrorist? I thought the guy who blew himself up was born and bred in Manchester... so isn't your question answered here? I'm confused. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 8 minutes ago, bobzy said: Round up all "known terror suspects" and place them in a sizeable warehouse-esque large room. Play Bob Marley on repeat. Burn that special weed in the corners of the room once every few hours. Problem solved, everyone happy. No more wars or terror attacks. Abedi was a cannabis user. May even have a small part to do with his mental instability perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Just now, Ingram85 said: Abedi was a cannabis user. May even have a small part to do with his mental instability perhaps? ****. Back to the drawing board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, blandy said: The law says all of them are. Don't you respect the law? People who don't show respect for the law should be deported, we can't have people with no respect for the laws of the land swanning about freely in these dangerous times. You've got 5 mionutes, get your things together - pack a coat, it's cold in Siberia Innocent until proven guilty.....yes. How many of the 3000 on watchlists are there "without" good reason. I would imagine that it constitutes more than just googling how to make a bomb. If we dont have the resources to watch them all what is the answer? more money? whats the price of a childs life? There needs to be a plan, just sitting back and hoping it will go away wont work. There isnt one answer to this I am sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 10 minutes ago, bobzy said: I thought the guy who blew himself up was born and bred in Manchester... so isn't your question answered here? I'm confused. Thats my point, why is the first comment about him being a muslim, he isnt, he is a terrorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 24, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: Don't forget to put plywood over your windows. Hopefully you have enough dry goods in storage to wait this one out. Personally, I just bought a ticket for a weekender music festival. **** 'em. I'll die dad dancing. I'm off to see the Wedding Present (and quite frankly lots of shite too) at an all dayer in Manchester on Saturday Everyone needs to do stuff like this, otherwise the terrorists win 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 minute ago, mykeyb said: Thats my point, why is the first comment about him being a muslim, he isnt, he is a terrorist. What comment? :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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