Mr_Dogg Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 16 minutes ago, HKP90 said: Explosions at two Russian airbases well away from the Ukraine border. Ryazan and Saratov. Sabotage or Ukrainian missiles? Would Ukraine attempt a missile strike that far into Russia? It isn't that they did it, it's that they were capable of doing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Ukraine needs to hit Russia more so that Russia has more to gain by ending the war. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 We’ll know for sure who is responsible soon enough if there’s a fresh wave of cruise missiles hitting Kyiv and Lviv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted December 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Genie said: Ukraine needs to hit Russia more so that Russia has more to gain by ending the war. I'm sorry to keep going back to this, but wouldn't that give Russia more of a self defence mandate for the use of tactical nukes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 5, 2022 Moderator Share Posted December 5, 2022 Just now, Genie said: We’ll know for sure who is responsible soon enough if there’s a fresh wave of cruise missiles hitting Kyiv and Lviv. Well, maybe not, these targets in terms of range are VERY close to Moscow distance from Ukraine. These might go down as smoking incidents as Russia won't want to admit to the public that Ukraine are striking so far into Russian territory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Just now, HKP90 said: I'm sorry to keep going back to this, but wouldn't that give Russia more of a self defence mandate for the use of tactical nukes? No I don’t think so, Russia know it’s nothing they haven’t done 100x themselves and that’s before firing missiles at schools and hospitals. Russia can’t expect Ukraine to play by a different set of rules to them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 5, 2022 Moderator Share Posted December 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, HKP90 said: I'm sorry to keep going back to this, but wouldn't that give Russia more of a self defence mandate for the use of tactical nukes? No, it wouldn't. Russia will not use nukes, for the umpteenth time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Just now, bickster said: Well, maybe not, these targets in terms of range are VERY close to Moscow distance from Ukraine. These might go down as smoking incidents as Russia won't want to admit to the public that Ukraine are striking so far into Russian territory The BBC reporting one of the blasts as a tanker explosion. Yeah right, a tanker that was hit by a Ukrainian missile possibly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 5, 2022 Moderator Share Posted December 5, 2022 Just now, Genie said: The BBC reporting one of the blasts as a tanker explosion. Yeah right, a tanker that was hit by a Ukrainian missile possibly! Yep thats the first cover up statement but the RUssian military commentators don't seem to be buying it, claiming that this is the biggest fuel tanker explosion they've ever seen by some distance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted December 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Genie said: No I don’t think so, Russia know it’s nothing they haven’t done 100x themselves and that’s before firing missiles at schools and hospitals. Russia can’t expect Ukraine to play by a different set of rules to them. There's your problem, right there. You know they will, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 minute ago, HKP90 said: There's your problem, right there. You know they will, though. I don’t think so, once a nuke comes out all bets are off and everyone loses. Russia knows this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted December 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2022 Ryazan is only around 10-15km closer to Ukraine than Moscow. If they can hit Ryazan with a missile, surely they can hit Moscow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted December 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Genie said: I don’t think so, once a nuke comes out all bets are off and everyone loses. Russia knows this. I agree. There will be more reciprocal missile strikes in Ukraine though. Have they managed to repair any of their power grid now winter is biting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Also I assume Ukraine has to start hitting Russian military bases well inside Russia, otherwise it will allow Russia to re-stock inventory over the winter. Ukraine are still reliant on NATO hand-outs. They have to continually do more damage then Russia can replace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted December 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2022 And there it is....... Wave of Missile Strikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 3 hours ago, HKP90 said: I'm sorry to keep going back to this, but wouldn't that give Russia more of a self defence mandate for the use of tactical nukes? No. I am not sure what you think a tactical nuke is. Its not a nice little explosion that kills the enemy and then goes away. Its going to spread radioactive material into Belarus, Russia and Crimea. It will probably spread it into a NATO country and prompt a conventional retaliation greater than anything seen before. If Russia uses a nuke - they lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 5, 2022 Moderator Share Posted December 5, 2022 29 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: No. I am not sure what you think a tactical nuke is. Its not a nice little explosion that kills the enemy and then goes away. Its going to spread radioactive material into Belarus, Russia and Crimea. It will probably spread it into a NATO country and prompt a conventional retaliation greater than anything seen before. If Russia uses a nuke - they lose. And they'll feel the wrath of China whilst they are at it too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 hour ago, HKP90 said: And there it is....... Wave of Missile Strikes Like clockwork. Confirms what we knew already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, bickster said: And they'll feel the wrath of China whilst they are at it too Definitely. I have written about this many times before. The first country to launch is guaranteed to lose. The world is immediately against them. Russia launching nukes at Ukraine to keep Crimea makes as much sense as the UK launching nukes at France to keep the Channel Islands. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 According to German media Russia are heavily linked to the right-wing attempt at a coup in Germany. Putin's plans are just shit, aren't they? It'll take down AfD too, Putin's biggest ally-party in Western Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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