Villan_of_oz Posted February 16, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 16, 2017 Just now, Grasshopper said: G'day sometimes the truth hurts Truth? Its your opinion..... There is a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 10 hours ago, pacbuddies said: And if giving him until the end of the season ends in relegation that is acceptable to you? I don't believe we will be relegated bruce in his managerial career has never gone on a run like that which would lead to relegation. But if that were to happen of course he should be sacked. But for me should be given until end of season then evaluate. Let's see if actually sticking with a manager having a bad patch giving him time if breaks this sacking trend we have at villa 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Villan_of_oz said: Truth? Its your opinion..... There is a difference Dont wanna p*ss on your vegemite but the truth is We're 16th 6 losses out of 7 played the one draw was at home leadin 2-0 at HT Bruce loaning in a shit GK Bruce bringing Gaby back in Still Hoofing whilst switching syszems/players AND in serious danger of relegation to L1 I know its not mornings down there in the land of empty but you need to wake up and smell the coffee before you just diss what I post, be it my interpretation of the truth or just my opinion Note to whoever Nothing more annoying or pathetic than a poster shooting down another poster without at least giving a counter/alternative dialogue. Especially when the OP has given reasoning to his/her opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) Maybe I should just write B*ll*x when I quote a post I dont agree with Edited February 16, 2017 by Grasshopper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted February 16, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Grasshopper said: Maybe I should just write B*ll*x when I quote a post I dont agree with Nah we love your lists so keep doing them. Edited February 16, 2017 by PieFacE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted February 16, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Grasshopper said: Dont wanna p*ss on your vegemite but the truth is We're 16th 6 losses out of 7 played the one draw was at home leadin 2-0 at HT Bruce loaning in a shit GK Bruce bringing Gaby back in Still Hoofing whilst switching syszems/players AND in serious danger of relegation to L1 I know its not mornings down there in the land of empty but you need to wake up and smell the coffee before you just diss what I post, be it my interpretation of the truth or just my opinion Note to whoever Nothing more annoying or pathetic than a poster shooting down another poster without at least giving a counter/alternative dialogue. Especially when the OP has given reasoning to his/her opinion. Go back to the original post I posted on.... You were having a go at people who might still want to back Bruce. No counter/alternative dialogue just having a crack you were. Now you have branded me pathetic, also implied that being down under renders me somewhat asleep to the situation. This clearly isn't going anywhere productive. Enjoy your day Oh and for the record I never said you were wrong I just take issue with your unnecessary way of making your point. Edited February 16, 2017 by Villan_of_oz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted February 16, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 16, 2017 Note to whoever Bruce deserves more time to encourage stability and despite the recent run of results I do believe we are safer in his hands than the unknown!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezzaleed Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 15 minutes ago, Grasshopper said: Dont wanna p*ss on your vegemite but the truth is We're 16th 6 losses out of 7 played the one draw was at home leadin 2-0 at HT Bruce loaning in a shit GK Bruce bringing Gaby back in Still Hoofing whilst switching syszems/players AND in serious danger of relegation to L1 I know its not mornings down there in the land of empty but you need to wake up and smell the coffee before you just diss what I post, be it my interpretation of the truth or just my opinion Note to whoever Nothing more annoying or pathetic than a poster shooting down another poster without at least giving a counter/alternative dialogue. Especially when the OP has given reasoning to his/her opinion. B*ll*x....... Your rules. In fairness he did give a logical reason for his post. He pointed out that truth is not the same as your opinion. It could be a truthful opinion though. I suppose he should have said your truth is not the same as a fact. How annoying is this post btw. Anyway bot. I do think there is a genuine risk of relegation but in fairness i think given how shite we were last season and how many players and staff have changed there was always that from the start. I think if we'd changed nothing and left Lambert in charge of the same squad as last year there was less risk. However there would have also been less of a chance of promotion. Change is risky by it's very nature. You change something you increase risk. Personally i think if we give Bruce more than 3 games to turn a brand new squad into a team he will turn things around and we'll start to pick up points (maybe not against Newcastle I'm not deluded). Granted there is no guarantee, so i wont claim it's a fact, but if we did change whoever we put in charge i think would struggle more to turn us around and steady the ship before we're down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: Go back to the original post I posted on.... You were having a go at people who might still want to back Bruce. No counter/alternative dialogue just having a crack you were. Now you have branded me pathetic, also implied that being down under renders me somewhat asleep to the situation. This clearly isn't going anywhere productive. Enjoy your day Oh and for the record I never said you were wrong I just take issue with your unnecessary way of making your point. Now you know very well that I've given reasoning to all my "Rantings" "statements" So to pick up on me being fed up of people claiming stability/more time/Bruces record is a bit rich imho. Anyway Jason Day is Ranked nr 1 Golfer in the world You lot are more than capable at Cricket and Rugby, so supporting AVFC is just a means to bring you back down to earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: Note to whoever Bruce deserves more time to encourage stability and despite the recent run of results I do believe we are safer in his hands than the unknown!! I can see both sides of the argument, although I favour a change, if it comes with a well thought out plan. I am struggling though to understand what Bruce has done since he's been here to "deserve" a chance? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted February 16, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Grasshopper said: Now you know very well that I've given reasoning to all my "Rantings" "statements" So to pick up on me being fed up of people claiming stability/more time/Bruces record is a bit rich imho. Anyway Jason Day is Ranked nr 1 Golfer in the world You lot are more than capable at Cricket and Rugby, so supporting AVFC is just a means to bring you back down to earth. I have no idea what the relevance of that last paragraph is, happy to just leave things there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, tezzaleed said: B*ll*x....... like it 4 minutes ago, tezzaleed said: Your rules. In fairness he did give a logical reason for his post. He pointed out that truth is not the same as your opinion. It could be a truthful opinion though. I suppose he should have said your truth is not the same as a fact. Opinions have been going back and forth for a while (not a problem for me - all for debate) 4 minutes ago, tezzaleed said: How annoying is this post btw. why not? you are explaining yourself 4 minutes ago, tezzaleed said: Anyway bot. Bot. ?? 4 minutes ago, tezzaleed said: I do think there is a genuine risk of relegation me too 4 minutes ago, tezzaleed said: but in fairness i think given how shite we were last season and how many players and staff have changed there was always that from the start. we need the clear out we have replaced with better (except SJ) 4 minutes ago, tezzaleed said: I think if we'd changed nothing and left Lambert in charge of the same squad as last year there was less risk. However there would have also been less of a chance of promotion. Change is risky by it's very nature. You change something you increase risk. sorry but if PL was not sacked 2 yrs ago we would have been down here a year earlier 4 minutes ago, tezzaleed said: Personally i think if we give Bruce more than 3 games to turn a brand new squad into a team he will turn things around and we'll start to pick up points (maybe not against Newcastle I'm not deluded). Strongly disagree but imho v iyho 4 minutes ago, tezzaleed said: Granted there is no guarantee, so i wont claim it's a fact, but if we did change whoever we put in charge i think would struggle more to turn us around and steady the ship before we're down. Again - cant agree with this P.S. There you go, wasn't all that annoying after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted February 16, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: I can see both sides of the argument, although I favour a change, if it comes with a well thought out plan. I am struggling though to understand what Bruce has done since he's been here to "deserve" a chance? I can see both sides too. To me it is a case of the devil you know is the better than the devil you don't. Bruce could turn things around very quickly with the quality we have, and if we get on decent run and finish the season strong things won't look quite so bleak. Just my opinion I am fully aware that I could be wrong. Changing manager doesn't guarantee changing fortunes.... Edited February 16, 2017 by Villan_of_oz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 28 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: I can see both sides too. To me it is a case of the devil you know is the better than the devil you don't. Bruce could turn things around very quickly with the quality we have, and if we get on decent run and finish the season strong things won't look quite so bleak. Just my opinion I am fully aware that I could be wrong. Changing manager doesn't guarantee changing fortunes.... I agree, if Bruce could show some sign of life then keeping him to the end of the season would be ok. He just seems like he's flailing around without any plan. Equally the club must have a plan when (if) they do replace him. The upper management can't just flail around either. If they have a plan and the right man is available now, then I'd pull the trigger. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChrisVillan Posted February 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Grasshopper said: Note to whoever Nothing more annoying or pathetic than a poster shooting down another poster without at least giving a counter/alternative dialogue. Especially when the OP has given reasoning to his/her opinion. I can think of something. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Bruce needs to hold his hands up and just say Johnstone has been shit and stick bunn back in. Bunny not great but Jesus far better than Johnstone. All you have to do is get a shot on target and 9/10 it's a goal I think this is a massive reason why we have been so shit. Keeper is complete turd 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Villan_of_oz said: I can see both sides too. To me it is a case of the devil you know is the better than the devil you don't. Bruce could turn things around very quickly with the quality we have, and if we get on decent run and finish the season strong things won't look quite so bleak. Just my opinion I am fully aware that I could be wrong. Changing manager doesn't guarantee changing fortunes.... Better the devil you know used to be the defence of Randy Lerner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Better the devil you know used to be the defence of Randy Lerner. who? what? where? when? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejoker Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I think this thread should be renamed "New Manager : 2017 Part 1" because we'll have probably got through 3/4 managers by the end of the year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I'm on the fence now to be honest ffs. Part of me even wonders if we would do well to bring in an experienced Assistant Manager/Coach from one of the top clubs in Europe who play good football and have a great philosophy etc? They will have all the technical knowledge, know how to deal with egos and thrive in the opportunity to begin their own management legacy. Aside from that, I have always wanted AVB for obvious immature reasons. I think keep Bruce for a couple more games tops if there is no turnaround or signs of it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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