Popular Post Nigel Posted October 19, 2016 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2016 Why didnt we try this winning thing earlier! Seems obvious to me now that its a far better way to get promoted! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Thomas Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) My spider senses are tingling. I am convinced we are going to make the play-offs. When can bring on subs like Ayew, Amavi and McCormack why the hell not. Edited October 19, 2016 by Gary Thomas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 19, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 19, 2016 It says a lot about this league that, after the results we've had, we sit only 2 wins off the playoffs. That's quite amazing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermon Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 A win against Fulham and then I will believe. Any stats on when we last won back to back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 19, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 19, 2016 6 minutes ago, supermon said: A win against Fulham and then I will believe. Any stats on when we last won back to back? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 This is not an "I told you so" post, but... Before the Newcastle game there were well respected posters on VT stating the game was "must win". I and others dismissed this and I think the fact that we're six points off the playoffs after two wins all season proves that. This league is completely bonkers. Newcastle and / or Norwich may well run away with it, but if that doesn't happen, there is absolutely no reason why we can't put a decent run together and put pressure on and aim at the very least for a playoff berth. "Marathon not a sprint" surmises this league perfectly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villanwesty88 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Agree with previous posts that it is quite incredible that the Play-Off positions are not that far away from us now - just 6 points. I'd be happy with a gradual improvement in form. I'm not expecting us to suddenly win 10 games on the bounce but if we can win 3 or 4 in the next 10 and pick up a few draws we will be within touching distance still. My thinking is that after such a barren run of something like 4 wins in 56 prior to yesterday, it will take a little bit of time to up to the form required to reach the Play-Offs. For now, it's all about being around, or just above, mid-table in January - anything else is a bonus in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 19, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 19, 2016 Relatively speaking, our next 4 games are not kind. In fact, if you look at their home and away league positions rather than their overall, we have on average the hardest next 4 fixtures of anyone in the league. Not that it makes a difference to me, as I believe on our day we're a match for anyone. Fulham 2nd in away table. Noses 5th in home table (excluding the not-insignificant derby factor). Blackburn 21st in away table. Brighton top of home table. Averaging 7.25. Next hardest are Preston with 8.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted October 19, 2016 Author Share Posted October 19, 2016 32 minutes ago, BOF said: Relatively speaking, our next 4 games are not kind. In fact, if you look at their home and away league positions rather than their overall, we have on average the hardest next 4 fixtures of anyone in the league. Not that it makes a difference to me, as I believe on our day we're a match for anyone. Fulham 2nd in away table. Noses 5th in home table (excluding the not-insignificant derby factor). Blackburn 21st in away table. Brighton top of home table. Averaging 7.25. Next hardest are Preston with 8.00 Villa - Top of the ugly manager table. nuff said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 56 minutes ago, BOF said: Relatively speaking, our next 4 games are not kind. In fact, if you look at their home and away league positions rather than their overall, we have on average the hardest next 4 fixtures of anyone in the league. Not that it makes a difference to me, as I believe on our day we're a match for anyone. Fulham 2nd in away table. Noses 5th in home table (excluding the not-insignificant derby factor). Blackburn 21st in away table. Brighton top of home table. Averaging 7.25. Next hardest are Preston with 8.00 We inflicted Reading to their first home defeat, bring the rest on. If we can win against Fulham I think we are back. These teams wont want to play an in form Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 19, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 19, 2016 9 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: We inflicted Reading to their first home defeat, bring the rest on. If we can win against Fulham I think we are back. These teams wont want to play an in form Villa Yep, I mention that in my last sentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted October 19, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted October 19, 2016 5 hours ago, Gary Thomas said: My spider senses are tingling. I am convinced we are going to make the play-offs. When can bring on subs like Ayew, Amavi and McCormack why the hell not. I believe you're right Peter. This is the beginning of our turn around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 EASY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 7 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 From what I've been told about the championship, momentum is incredibly important when it comes to the playoffs - we need to make sure that if we're there by the end of the season we're in a decent vein of form too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof hearted Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 hour ago, lexicon said: From what I've been told about the championship, momentum is incredibly important when it comes to the playoffs - we need to make sure that if we're there by the end of the season we're in a decent vein of form too. You're probably right mate, I'd be interested to see the position teams finished in conjunction with who actually got promoted, I wouldn't be in the slight bit surprised if it was mostly teams that finished 5th and 6th, ergo teams that have had to fight and find form in the closing few games of the season. I'll leave that to the nerds though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Hoof hearted said: You're probably right mate, I'd be interested to see the position teams finished in conjunction with who actually got promoted, I wouldn't be in the slight bit surprised if it was mostly teams that finished 5th and 6th, ergo teams that have had to fight and find form in the closing few games of the season. I'll leave that to the nerds though! My friend told me that statistically the team who finishes 6th is the most commonly promoted - but I haven't fact checked that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof hearted Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 27 minutes ago, lexicon said: My friend told me that statistically the team who finishes 6th is the most commonly promoted - but I haven't fact checked that! I know Bruce did it with SHA (6th), they were miles from the play offs at Christmas as well, another good omen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I was told teams who finish 1st or 2nd are those most commonly promoted but I've not had a chance to check that out. I'll go back a few years and compile results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BOF Posted October 21, 2016 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2016 4 hours ago, lexicon said: My friend told me that statistically the team who finishes 6th is the most commonly promoted - but I haven't fact checked that! I heard that instead, rather boringly, it's 3rd place that goes up from the playoffs most often, but I haven't checked that either. EDIT : I've just worked it out. Since the 20 team Premier League era (95/96). 3rd came up 8 times (00,01,06,07,08,11,12,15) 5th came up 5 times (99,02,03,09,13) 6th came up 5 times (96,97,04,05,10) 4th came up 3 times (98,14,16) EDIT 2 : Just sticking this here for completion's sake. Not that it makes a whole lot of difference, as every year is different. It just shows a general trend towards the teams higher up in the league becoming the more dominant playoff sides. I suspect (without further research on the matter...) that as time goes on, it probably reflects and relates to squads built from Premier League money and squads benefitting from parachute payments as the gap between the haves and have nots increases ever so slightly in a Championship context. Blue is the position of the promoted side that year. Red is a running average. Grey is the trendline. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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