hoaxn Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 1 minute ago, AndyM3000 said: The real test is if he starts Alan Hutton, once you do that there's no going back for me. And if Hutton plays the game of his life and is man of the match in a 4-0 win? Tough shit, too late, no going back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Just now, VillaCas said: because people don't agree with you they are poisonous and disgusting. Wow! Strawman #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Just now, Wainy316 said: In his first press conference I fully expect for Bruce to apologise for those two headers against Sheffield Wednesday and to admit that the game should have long been finished by the time he scored the second. Never thought to blame a player for scoring for his own team in the time allowed by the game officials. I've always held that particular result against the referee and his dodgy 'play until you score' minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Just now, hoaxn said: And if Hutton plays the game of his life and is man of the match in a 4-0 win? Tough shit, too late, no going back? Then the world is about to end. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 12, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 12, 2016 16 minutes ago, VillaCas said: What does getting behind the manager even mean. I'll continue to cheer for the team, I won't boo or jeer Bruce, but I will continue to bleieve the we could have made a much more forward-looking appointment Then it turns out you were getting behind him without even realising it Oh and please put the potato back in the bag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 24 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: What? No I'm not, not even close. I'm saying supporters should get behind the new manager because it's common sense to get behind him until he shows anything to prove otherwise. Cheers, I'll take the last 15 years experience of Steve bruce then to prove to me why I shouldnt "get behind him" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 12, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Strawman #2. Place is becoming quite the fire hazard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Just now, hoaxn said: And if Hutton plays the game of his life and is man of the match in a 4-0 win? Tough shit, too late, no going back? Let's not get silly now. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 19 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Set aside whatever preconceptions you may have of him the minute he becomes Villa manager. It's what he does in the dugout at Villa Park that he should be judged by. No no no. People are justifying his appointment by his career to date , what he has done to date. If that can be used for justification it can also be used for judgement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 12 minutes ago, bobzy said: Not moaning about the appointment or showing dissent at games or doing anything other than being encouraging toward the manager? Massive difference for me between discussing/disagreeing with the appointment and showing dissent at games. I remember you were also a keen supporter of RDM and said very similar things about him - was his failure our fault too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Just now, VillaCas said: Massive difference for me between discussing/disagreeing with the appointment and showing dissent at games. I remember you were also a keen supporter of RDM and said very similar things about him - was his failure our fault too? "A keen supporter of RDM" - superb. What similar things did I say about him anyway? Whose "fault" are you on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 16 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: It's pretty obvious. That, regardless of your previous perceptions, as soon as he's appointed, you're behind him until he proves otherwise. But it won't happen. As soon as the first goal goes in against us, point-scoring galore. We all know how this place works. You just keep saying "get behind him" but what do you mean? Should we close the discussion thread? Are any doubters to be badged poisonous and disgusting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, VillaCas said: I think that in world football there are dozens of possibilities that would have been better than Bruce (in my opinion). Clearly there is no guarantee that any manager will win promotion Without listing them and knowing for certain they were genuinely available, it is pointless in guessing (because that's all it could be - guessing), whether those that were possibly available would be any better than or worse than Bruce. In the meantime we could be more focused in wishing our new manager the very best success at our beloved club. I've still yet to learn of any benefit to our club in not supporting our new manager. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoaxn Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Let's not get silly now. I wanted to jump on the extreme situations to prove points bandwagon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NurembergVillan Posted October 12, 2016 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, VillaCas said: Thats a really poor post to be honest - because people don't agree with you they are poisonous and disgusting. Wow! I didn't say that, did I? I said there are elements to our fanbase who are poisonous. I'm talking about people who decide our players are shit after 2 games, who decide our manager has no chance of being a success before he's even been announced, who claim our owner is a fraud because they've never heard of him. It's not about the opinion, it's about the mindset of it. The terminal negativity that is bringing this club to its knees. The absolute certainty that no good whatsoever can come of decision X. I'm not looking for people to have blind faith, hope, and positivity. I'm just looking for newcomers to our club to be given the chance to bring us all some happiness. Surely that's what we all want. Isn't it? 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 12, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 12, 2016 10 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: There are elements to the Villa fanbase that are absolutely poisonous. We can have new owners, new managers, new players, but until our fans are all pointing in the same direction we've got absolutely no chance. It's disgusting. I dunno, Rob, I mean I don't disagree that any club has a few people who could be called poisonous, or whatever, if that's what you want to do. But it seems a bit of an OTT statement (mind you this is the interwebs, so fair play) to make based around some posters on here not thinking much of Bruce as a manager. Must admit I'm one of them. Sure, yes, it seems he's been picked to be next man in, and there's now't can be done anyway, but can't people discuss it all, pros and cons etc. without being considered to be "not getting behind" or worse being thought of as "poisonous"? I haven't looked at any other Villa sites, but I'd imagine they'd have a mix of views on potato head, too (can I still call him that, or isn't it allowed any more under the new "get behind him" regime?). If he is the next manager then good luck to him, genuinely, but a history of doing a runner, of relegations and promotions, of ropy transfer choices and teams descending into messes seems to me grounds for scepticism (as well as optimism). A number of people have posted along the lines of get us up, then get rid - I mean that indicates that of those who actually actively wanted him, they don't see him as really up to the job long term. [Sorry to pick on your post, which was fine, it's just the key for me writing something.] 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, VillaCas said: You just keep saying "get behind him" but what do you mean? Should we close the discussion thread? Are any doubters to be badged poisonous and disgusting? THIS a thousand times this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 12 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Strawman #2. It was posted here 22 minutes ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Keyblade Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Just now, Richard said: No no no. People are justifying his appointment by his career to date , what he has done to date. If that can be used for justification it can also be used for judgement Nothing wrong with being against his appointment Richard. It's using this opposition to the manager after he's appointed to unfairly get on his back and be against him no matter what he does. That's what getting behind him means, supporting him regardless of what you thought of him. It goes both ways in that if you were really in favor of his appointment, that shouldn't affect your judgement of his performance as Villa manager and blind you to his shortcomings. But once he's manager, it's a clean slate and ultimately it's what he does as our manager that counts...and not what he did at Blues or Sunderland 10 years ago. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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