Michael118 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 23 hours ago, The Moustache of Teale said: I can't see how the ineptitude of 5 players can be laid at the door of successive managers this season. Whilst we've had some poor managers, for me it's a case of the players being: sh*t, lazy, arrogant, past it, or all of the above. If we keep the majority of these players, the cancer that afflicted our club throughout last season remains. Last season we had 4 of the worst managers you're likely to see managing in the premier league. The difference between them and Ranieri for example is the diference between relegation and top 4. I don't think Leicester has a significantly better squad than we do. Getting rid of these players is like cutting out a cancer that will grow back somewhere else. Finding a good manager should attack the cancer at the roots. Unless RDM is a significant upgrade which I doubt he is I don't see much changing too quickly with or without these players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Leicester had a significantly better squad than us. That's nonsense. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 38 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Leicester had a significantly better squad than us. That's nonsense. Indeed it is. Absolutely barmy. To a man, in every single position they are better than us. They have at least three strikers better than ours combined, for example. Maybe Amavi is a better left back than Fuchs. But that's conjecture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael118 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Indeed it is. Absolutely barmy. To a man, in every single position they are better than us. They have at least three strikers better than ours combined, for example. Maybe Amavi is a better left back than Fuchs. But that's conjecture. Funny nobody would have said these things about Leicester 12 months ago before Ranieri took over. Now all of a sudden they have more ability in every position and at least 3 better strikers. So was it our players who lost their ability or theirs who suddenly acquired some? I went through rating the squads about 6 months ago but I will say they have no one with the potential of Gil and Traore. If we had a manager with even half a clue who utilised these two properly and had everyone working on the same page we would have been nowhere near relegation. Edited June 19, 2016 by Michael118 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) Should Villa give Gabby, Bacuna, Richards, Lescott, and Guzan at least another second chance? No No No No x 1000 Edited June 19, 2016 by AJ Image wont upload 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 5 hours ago, Michael118 said: Funny nobody would have said these things about Leicester 12 months ago before Ranieri took over. Now all of a sudden they have more ability in every position and at least 3 better strikers. So was it our players who lost their ability or theirs who suddenly acquired some? I went through rating the squads about 6 months ago but I will say they have no one with the potential of Gil and Traore. If we had a manager with even half a clue who utilised these two properly and had everyone working on the same page we would have been nowhere near relegation. It doesn't matter what "we" would have said 12 months ago, "we" would have been wrong. I know what you'll say to that, maybe we're wrong about Gabby and Bacuna now? Well yeah, maybe Bolton have a better squad that Spurs. Just maybe. No one with the potential of Gil or Trade? I think you're probably trolling there, in any event they're not the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBM Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 sometimes in your job you will lose interest and know your time is up, its time to move on, even though your work mates might want you to stay, things have gone stale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AValon Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Dinosaurs and piss poor footballers. If the club has any intention of retaining any of them, then we really have hit rock bottom. Get rid, as soon as and bring in some new blood with desire and at least a modicum more talent than the fools heading out the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrentVilla Posted June 19, 2016 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2016 As a supporter of the club I'm done with players named in the OP/poll, they aren't getting another chance from me. In differing ways their attitudes and conduct last season were unprofessional, disrespectful and frankly an insult to the club, the fans and all concerned. For me there is no road to redemption for these players not when the price paid for last seasons **** is so high. It would be unfair to blame these guys for our relegation, we all know that it was coming for years and the blame lies with far more people. But these guys unlike some in our squad had the ability (other than the Dutch Carlton Palmer) to try and do something about it, to try and lead by example or to try and drag the team to safety. They opted not to do that, they opted each in their own way to act like the selfish, self serving pricks I believe each of them to be. So even if we are stuck with them or RDM opts to keep some of them and turns them around the die is cast for these lot with me. I'll support the team if they are in it but not them, no matter how they perform in the future. Edit - Guzan I see slightly differently but I really don't want to see him play for us again. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewieGriffin Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Only just realised I hadnt voted. The only one Id consider not throwing off the top of Spaghetti Junction is Guzan, because I feel for him - the guys confidence is shot to bits after being worn down. There's a decent PL keeper there if he works at his game a little (therein lies the issue I guess). The others have all burnt their bridges and I can't see redemption for any of them, although I can see Gabby being here next year because he's nigh on unsellable. Lescott will end up in MLS, Richards will somehow get a move to a Sunderland/WBA level and Bacuna will go back to Holland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 19, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 19, 2016 No to all of them. But I'm uncomfortable with Guzan being lumped in with the rest of them. He's not been good enough and needs to move on. But his wasn't an attitude problem, which is very much the problem for the others. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbauer24 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 26 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: No to all of them. But I'm uncomfortable with Guzan being lumped in with the rest of them. He's not been good enough and needs to move on. But his wasn't an attitude problem, which is very much the problem for the others. I've just quoted you as you're last poster on here but you make a similar point to others and I'd like an answer; did I miss something, what did Richards do last season that makes some question his attitude? Guzan had the whole spitting thing, Bacuna Champions League, Lescott the phone and Gabby multiple but I'm not sure what Richards has done wrong. Not having a go at any one, but seeing as it seems to be a general concensus, I was wondering if I missed something? Or is he tarnished by others brush/ disliked because he's a bit of a big time Charlie? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 19, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 19, 2016 1 hour ago, jackbauer24 said: I've just quoted you as you're last poster on here but you make a similar point to others and I'd like an answer; did I miss something, what did Richards do last season that makes some question his attitude? Guzan had the whole spitting thing, Bacuna Champions League, Lescott the phone and Gabby multiple but I'm not sure what Richards has done wrong. Not having a go at any one, but seeing as it seems to be a general concensus, I was wondering if I missed something? Or is he tarnished by others brush/ disliked because he's a bit of a big time Charlie? Richards' attitude has been pretty poor. The whole Dubai thing is probably the worst example, but his attitude on the pitch has been poor too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Get rid of them all. Guzan should at least get some positive points for a couple of decent seasons but they all need to go. Now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbauer24 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 45 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Richards' attitude has been pretty poor. The whole Dubai thing is probably the worst example, but his attitude on the pitch has been poor too. Sorry replying to you again! It applies to the general conversation but knew you'd reply as you're on here a fair bit That's fair enough, if that's your (and others) view but for me it's still not the same as the other four in the list. Dubai he was not involved in Gabby's indiscretions and was not punished by the club and as for attitude on the pitch I didn't see it as being any worse than anyone elses really. In fact I do remember him having the balls to face up to some rather (rightfully) angry fans at one game. So for me, he doesn't need a second chance. He hasn't used up his first, attitude wise. Now if we're talking quality, it might be a different argument. I personally think it's unfair to lump him with the other four. Grealish has more 'right' to belong to that group (preseason) or Okore (refusing to play) than Richards. I'm not against getting rid, but I don't think he can be fairly grouped with this lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogen Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 I have no idea why Bacuna is hated for saying he'd be willing to move back to Holland to play in the Champions League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDVILLAIN Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 I would rather have academy kids playing in their places Last season those named jokers in the poll were a disgrace to the shirt and the club. They couldnt go far enough away from villa in my opinion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 I actually think Richards might be an asset in the Championship, he's certainly too good for that level. As for attitude, well he was one of the few to show any real passion on the pitch. Remember when he scored at VP, you could see how much it meant by his celebration. The rest, Bacuna, Gabby, Lescott, Westwood etc. can go though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornso Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Take whatever we can get for these five. Time to clean house and move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Good point made earlier. Richards went on holiday, which I believe he was allowed to do. Guzan was part of the disrespect shown in that cup game. Gets masked over because he was decent a few years ago. He shouldn't get away with it. Deserves to be lumped in with the bad group IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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