slowandlow Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 4 hours ago, Villan_of_oz said: So what would be the blockbuster clashes in league one? Westwood is pissing himself laughing. Playing in a team that plays decent football, and watching us relegate ourselves..... For another thread but he really didn't deserve the treatment he got on here, but those who gave it to him won't admit it. Obsessed!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted February 21, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 21, 2017 18 minutes ago, slowandlow said: Obsessed!! You could say the same about the other camp!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowandlow Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 15 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: You could say the same about the other camp!!! people do and have done, just creating a bit of balance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) Jeez, lets bury the Westwood issue? He's gone, add him to the list. We have let plenty go that have flourished, and a few rotters have been stuck here until their contracts ran out, at least we got £5m for him after years of ineffective contribution, incidentally thats also a profit on what we paid for him (ignoring salary). If he kicks on good for him, we have much bigger problems. Stop looking over your shoulder at what could've been, it'll kill you. My list of "where would we have been if we hadn't let him go" starts with Platt, I would be very bitter if I thought too hard about it all! Now, about that relegation..... Edited February 21, 2017 by thunderball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 21, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Zatman said: I call bullshit on this mental excuse. it comes up all the time I don't know how you can. Mentality clearly effected us badly last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted February 21, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 hour ago, slowandlow said: people do and have done, just creating a bit of balance Looks like I'm creating of a bit of a stir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelBlimp Posted February 21, 2017 Visiting Supporter Share Posted February 21, 2017 Guys Guys Guys (and Gals) Calm down a bit eh, enough of the wrist slashing. You've got good players, you have a good manager. All you have at the moment is a bad run of form. Every club in this league has it, there's 46 games. Have a look through every club's results and, maybe apart from the top 3, all have had runs of 5 or 6 games where it appears the wheels have fallen off. I know this, I'm a Derby fan, happens every year. You'll scrape a win in the next week or two, then a draw, then a win and so on. 50 points is the accepted cut-off target for staying up in this league, you will get 14 more points easily. If you could just start collecting them from sunday onwards I'd appreciate it, ta. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, ColonelBlimp said: Guys Guys Guys (and Gals) Calm down a bit eh, enough of the wrist slashing. You've got good players, you have a good manager. All you have at the moment is a bad run of form. Every club in this league has it, there's 46 games. Have a look through every club's results and, maybe apart from the top 3, all have had runs of 5 or 6 games where it appears the wheels have fallen off. I know this, I'm a Derby fan, happens every year. You'll scrape a win in the next week or two, then a draw, then a win and so on. 50 points is the accepted cut-off target for staying up in this league, you will get 14 more points easily. If you could just start collecting them from sunday onwards I'd appreciate it, ta. Seems a bit similar to derby where they got up into the top 6 or 7 under mclaren and have recently slipped back after a few poor results - I'd expect both villa and derby to be right up there near the top next season . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 55 minutes ago, Eastie said: Seems a bit similar to derby where they got up into the top 6 or 7 under mclaren and have recently slipped back after a few poor results - I'd expect both villa and derby to be right up there near the top next season . If we are still in this division next season I fully EXPECT us to be top of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 8 hours ago, Stevo985 said: I don't know how you can. Mentality clearly effected us badly last night. because in last 2 years we have had about 7 managers and a massive turnover of players. I dont believe that a poor mentality has gotten so far that good players automatically come in and are crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 could be below Burton tonight and 4 points behind much maligned QPR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, Zatman said: could be below Burton tonight and 4 points behind much maligned QPR A QPR win would be good as it keeps Wigan a bit back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 13 hours ago, Zatman said: I call bullshit on this mental excuse. it comes up all the time It's not even an excuse. Bruce definitely has to shoulder a fair amount of the blame but it's a factor. It amazes me that people still trying and deny it even as the same problems persists regardless of manager/players/owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turvontour Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Am i right in thinking that last nights starting line up only featured one player to have scored a goal for us this season? Its nearly March! I know i know, new signings, but as a stat thats frightening. Im fairly confident that thats never happened before. Id be fascinated to find out who the last team to do that was, if it has happened, in the top two divisions of England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Not a terrible night, still a cushion to Wigan, Venky's might shoot themselves in the foot but they could do well with their next appointment. Burton picked up a decent away point but Brentford and QPR are both safe enough now. Everyone from ourselves and below still in danger, SHA will scrape a few points up somewhere even if they are every bit as much in freefall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 6 hours ago, ColonelBlimp said: Guys Guys Guys (and Gals) Calm down a bit eh, enough of the wrist slashing. You've got good players, you have a good manager. All you have at the moment is a bad run of form. Every club in this league has it, there's 46 games. Have a look through every club's results and, maybe apart from the top 3, all have had runs of 5 or 6 games where it appears the wheels have fallen off. I know this, I'm a Derby fan, happens every year. You'll scrape a win in the next week or two, then a draw, then a win and so on. 50 points is the accepted cut-off target for staying up in this league, you will get 14 more points easily. If you could just start collecting them from sunday onwards I'd appreciate it, ta. Difference is we are shit the whole season and we had our one good patch of 5-6 wins. Thanks for making me feel a little better for a few minutes. Till I realised we are relying on what Wigan did today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 22, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 22, 2017 One thing in our favour - although obviously we need to be able to capitalise on it - is the fact that purely from a league position and venue point of view, we have a relatively kind schedule left. We've played all bar one of the top sides in the division away from home. Only Huddersfield are left out of the top 6 with Fulham next highest after that. We've a few tricky home ties (SheffWed, Norwich, Reading, Brighton, sha) but frankly if you can't sort your home form out then you've no excuses any way. Basically, if (big if) Bruce and the lads can get themselves into better shape in the next few weeks then the remaining fixtures will play their part for us too. The above does not take into account that relegation threatened sides get trickier as the season progresses, but then you'd imagine we'd benefit from that effect too so ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 1 minute ago, BOF said: One thing in our favour - although obviously we need to be able to capitalise on it - is the fact that purely from a league position and venue point of view, we have a relatively kind schedule left. We've played all bar one of the top sides in the division away from home. Only Huddersfield are left out of the top 6 with Fulham next highest after that. We've a few tricky home ties (SheffWed, Norwich, Reading, Brighton, sha) but frankly if you can't sort your home form out then you've no excuses any way. Basically, if (big if) Bruce and the lads can get themselves into better shape in the next few weeks then the remaining fixtures will play their part for us too. The above does not take into account that relegation threatened sides get trickier as the season progresses, but then you'd imagine we'd benefit from that effect too so ... I still believe we will finish nearer to the top 10 than the bottom 3 . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted February 22, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) On 21/02/2017 at 01:14, Mantis said: Don't underestimate the mental side of all this. I've seen you mention the metal aspect a few times. What possible mental problem can there be when the owner, chairman, manager and players have all been swapped out? Mental problems aren't contagious which can be caught when a player walks through the doors of BMH. The only mental problems I can see is a team who have no idea how they should be playing. This comes from the manager. I get the whole "we're a big club and there's pressure" argument, not that I necessarily agree with it, but the manager needs to deal with that and make sure the players are up to it. As far as I can see i'm not sure even the manager is up to it. You don't see Rafa having trouble managing Newcastle, or their players having this huge mental problem which we seem to have, even though they were shite last season too. For me the problem stems from the manager, his negative tactics breeds negativity. The way he's unsure on how we're supposed to play will make the players unsure. We need a manager to come in and say "this is how we're going to play, we're going to do it til you get it right" and work on it. Not keep chopping and changing when we can't get the basics right and have no identity whatsoever. Edited February 22, 2017 by PieFacE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briggaman Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Hopefully it will all start to click over the next couple of weeks and this thread can be put to rest. If not then we are in trouble... I can't see us going down to be honest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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