HanoiVillan Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Whoever we appoint will end up being 'diabolical', probably in little more than half a dozen games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralJazzman Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 One key aspect we need is a management team who are all on the same page as the directors, executives and other senior club positions. One thing I have really noticed since Lerner's reign is how the hierarchy is important to many aspects of running a club and setting the culture that runs through it. We have had poor Directors since Stride, poor leadership from Lerner and the culture has been damage limitation for any manager. I hope this restructure will give the next manager a good ground to build on where we have clearer leadership, better work ethic and people who care about what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) 15 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Whoever we appoint will end up being 'diabolical', probably in little more than half a dozen games. Ah no, here's the trick, the next man will have a window where his targets actually get contacted and a preseason to prepare the squad, before winning an acceptable amount of games in the Championship and that will be proof that Garde is a disaster of a manager. Edit; That is until we don't get promoted and new guy becomes diabolical. Edited March 28, 2016 by a m ole 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 10 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Whoever we appoint will end up being 'diabolical', probably in little more than half a dozen games. You say that like when such statements are made by people, they have been wrong. There really is no cut off point to when people can form a negative opinion of somebody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 14 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Whoever we appoint will end up being 'diabolical', probably in little more than half a dozen games. Sounds like Pearson to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 we are bottom of the table and are among the worst Premier League teams in history, dont think they could achieve anything less They could though, couldn't they? We've lost recent games 4-0, but have also lost by more narrow margins too. Imagine if we fielded a team including 5+ youth players and lost 5-0, 6-0, 7-0 for all our remaining games. The relegation would look EVEN worse, Garde would get slaughtered (which would be worse for his reputation than our relegation already will be), and most importantly, those promising youth players would have had a dreadful first experience of a run in the first team, as well as a number of fans probably getting on their backs if they made the usual mistakes that youngsters will make. I can't stand this 'it CAN'T get any worse' garbage, when it definitely can. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upper north stander Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Who ever it may be I will embrace..... The same as I will embrace our seasons in the lower league.! I'm no longer hurting with the worry of going down and have become numb to the daily/weekly text and pictures from our fellow Midlands rivals fans!! Villa till I die! UP the villa ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 38 minutes ago, Woodytom said: You say that like when such statements are made by people, they have been wrong. There really is no cut off point to when people can form a negative opinion of somebody. I think you've misunderstood my point. I wasn't looking backwards, but forwards. By the next manager, we will have had 7 managers in around 6 years (depending when Garde leaves). There is absolutely no reason to believe that the job has got any easier for the next manager, and as a club and as a fanbase we generally turf managers out quite quickly. Every manager that leaves us leaves with his reputation in tatters, and since MON none have gone on to any significant future managerial role, and this was true for numerous managers before MON as well. The candidate pool will be dreadful - I suspect it's more likely to be Ian Holloway than David Moyes - and the club is toxic. Therefore the next manager will fail, and fail fast, just like they always do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I think you've misunderstood my point. I wasn't looking backwards, but forwards. By the next manager, we will have had 7 managers in around 6 years (depending when Garde leaves). There is absolutely no reason to believe that the job has got any easier for the next manager, and as a club and as a fanbase we generally turf managers out quite quickly. Every manager that leaves us leaves with his reputation in tatters, and since MON none have gone on to any significant future managerial role, and this was true for numerous managers before MON as well. The candidate pool will be dreadful - I suspect it's more likely to be Ian Holloway than David Moyes - and the club is toxic. Therefore the next manager will fail, and fail fast, just like they always do. Because they are not very good. Yes the club is toxic but our list of managers is a joke. MON was by far the best in the last 15 years but taking everything into account, he wasn't that great. Houllier was probably the most gifted manager we had and he got ill. The rest are all woeful. Not because of the club but because of themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, Woodytom said: Because they are not very good. Yes the club is toxic but our list of managers is a joke. MON was by far the best in the last 15 years but taking everything into account, he wasn't that great. Houllier was probably the most gifted manager we had and he got ill. The rest are all woeful. Not because of the club but because of themselves. None of them were considered shit before they came here, and several (Taylor, O'Neill, Lambert, Garde) were considered either good managers in their own right or promising up-and-comers. The closest to being considered shit before getting the job was McLeish, and even he had recently won the FA Cup. Even Sherwood had his boosters, highlighting his famously high win percentage. In the last 15 years, we've had British managers and foreign managers, English managers and Scottish managers, attacking managers and defensive managers, managers who liked kick and rush and managers who liked possession football. We've tried everything, and with only the arguable exception of MON they've all failed. The constant is the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: None of them were considered shit before they came here, and several (Taylor, Lambert, Garde) were considered either good managers in their own right or promising up-and-comers. Yeah, wrongly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Wrongly based on their time at Villa, which is the point I'm making. But never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Wrongly based on their time at Villa, which is the point I'm making. But never mind. As well as their time after villa. Don't worry. I get your point. I just don't agree with it. I dont doubt the state of the club. The point is not one of the managers has been strong or good enough to sort it out. Which is ultimately their job. Not ALL managers would walk into villa and put up with this crap. We seem to pick the weak minded yes men. Like I say, houllier got closest imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phumfeinz Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Here we **** go again. Once this circus is over we can take solace in the fact that we'll have to go through it again 9 months down the line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam3773 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 You can get Tim Sherwood as our next permanent manager at 33/1. Free money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan4Life Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) Mark Warburton is at 25/1.. Good odd's that is for a punt! he has gotta be on the shortlist. Surely? Edited March 29, 2016 by Villan4Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 4 minutes ago, Villan4Life said: Mark Warburton is at 25/1.. Good odd's that is for a punt! he has gotta be on the shortlist. Surely? Are King Gabby and Princess Micah going to take him seriously? I doubt it. It has to be Moyes for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) Moyes would be great if we could get him, but would he rid the club of the poison? That for me is one of the key requirements - if you're not willing to cull the dressing room then **** off. Edited March 29, 2016 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted March 29, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 29, 2016 Moyes would be my number one choice. Outside of that I'm not really sure who'd be a good fit. Pearson doesn't sit right with me. I have more faith in the board appointing the right man this time around than the jokers attempting it before! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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