The now-enacted will of (some of) the people

[chrisp65]

1 hour ago, Rodders said:

Went for Plaid in the end over Lib Dems. Think that was the better option, hope so. On arbitrary vote watch, there was a regular flow of voters going through. Cardiff North is always a marginal seat but Labour and Tory so it's hard to know which way the neighbours have gone. 

I appreciate I'm going to be in a self selecting bubble of friends but over the course of the day everyone that's told me how they voted has come up with pretty much the same story, pretty much the same story as me.

Traditional Labour voters all with an absolute loss of faith in Welsh labour headed by the wettest man ever, Mark Drakeford. He doesn't go for a piss unless some Westminster labour intern has told him he's allowed to piss. Couple that with the fudge stance of Westminster Labour and right now, I don't know anyone that voted Labour. That includes my missus, who has voted in every election from local council to euro's for over 30 years, never missed a vote. Never ever voted anything but Labour before today. 

Like I say, it's a self selecting bubble. But I know about 10 votes that have switched here today.

The winner will still be the Brexit Party. But in trying to keep the brexit vote up, Labour have lost the remain vote. Which was the majority of their support all along. What a **** stupid catastrophic tactic that was.

Let's hope something positive comes out of this in the long term, eh.

My only hope is this area votes remain for a second time, the tories come 6th and our tory MP representative can explain to us how democracy works when he votes leave in parliament again.

[NurembergVillan]

1 hour ago, bickster said:

Nope, apparently not.From EU Elections Advice to Candidates from the Electoral Commission

He is not displayed on the ballot paper as Tommy Christopher Robinson nor is he on the Ballot as Steven Tommy Robinson. Now to contact the regional returning officer

I read it as being you can't use your actual name without your middle name, but you can use your "common name" without it.

But I could be wrong.  They've not made it simple.

[bickster]

25 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said:

I read it as being you can't use your actual name without your middle name, but you can use your "common name" without it.

But I could be wrong.  They've not made it simple.

I think it’s pretty clear 

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1.66 However, you cannot use your first name as a commonly used name so that only your first name and surname appear on a ballot paper, thus excluding your middle name.

 

[LondonLax]

13 minutes ago, bickster said:

I think it’s pretty clear 

 

If your name is Andrew John Smith specifically says you can use ‘Andy Smith’ if you want but not ‘Andrew Smith’.

If you’re using your real name you need to include your middle name, if you are filling out the ‘common name’ box and running on that you can call yourself whatever you like.

[NurembergVillan]

11 minutes ago, LondonLax said:

If your name is Andrew John Smith specifically says you can use ‘Andy Smith’ if you want but not ‘Andrew Smith’.

If you’re using your real name you need to include your middle name, if you are filling out the ‘common name’ box and running on that you can call yourself whatever you like.

Zackly.

[Chindie]

Incidentally the suppression of EU voters in this election is a scandal that'll be quickly sweeped under the carpet.

[Xann]

5000 primary and 20000 support jobs at British Steel in the balance.

Working well for Putin this Brexit.

[OutByEaster?]

3 minutes ago, Xann said:

5000 primary and 20000 support jobs at British Steel in the balance.

Working well for Putin this Brexit.

How so?

 

[Xann]

1 minute ago, OutByEaster? said:

How so?

Sweet Russian deals for Banks.

Banks payrolls Farage and Brexit.

Internet bots don't come free.

[Xann]

Putin's friends use the likes of KPMG to rob Russia blind.

We leave the EU? - It and we are weakened and the bad guys can continue to use our tax avoidance mechanisms.

[Xann]

The plebs think they're sticking it to the man.

The man is pissing himself laughing.

[bickster]

20 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

How so?

 

Watch it happen all over again in another country if we eventually leave. As well as what has already been posted Putin wants the break up of the EU, it was edging closer and closer to Russia and with it NATO, hence the Ukraine situation. Destabilising the EU, destabilises NATO. With the USA and the UK at odds with the rest of the EU he's like a pig in shit.

[tonyh29]

57 minutes ago, Xann said:

5000 primary and 20000 support jobs at British Steel in the balance.

Working well for Putin this Brexit.

China says hello 

There is a credible argument for blaming Brexit in that British Steel  whilst  obligated to commitments to cut carbon omissions , lost access to with grants being given by the EU's Emissions Trading Scheme , had Brexit been resolved /not voted for  , then this issue presumably would have gone away ?  .. instead the UK govt loaned the money to pay this bill , around £100m I believe ?

but , the villain in this piece is Greybull , who also caused the collapse of Monarch airlines  & Comet ... I'm not aware of any links between Putin and Greybull but maybe you have one ?

 

[Demitri_C]

Farage is going to do well isn't he? 

Don't people realise he never tells us what his plans are to make things better? All he waffles on about is taking control of our borders 

[Rodders]

from the guardian liveblog. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/may/24/theresa-may-resignation-uk-prime-minister-politics-brexit-live-news 

 

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It looks pretty certain that there will be a statement this morning. The lights and lectern are out and No 10 has just – apparently accidentally – sent journalists an empty email.

 

seems apt.

[Xann]

33 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

China says hello

Orders lost to Brexit uncertainty says hello.

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How much is Brexit to blame?
It is not the only factor in the crisis but it is very important. Steel contracts are typically agreed well in advance of the product being delivered. As things stand, the UK is due to leave the EU on 31 October and the terms of that separation are yet to be agreed, meaning British Steel’s overseas customers do not know what tariffs will apply to steel they buy from the company. Sources close to the company say orders from customers in the EU and further afield have dried up as a result.

Guardian

So, with all this Brexit uncertainty, why don't we just leave eh?

Why don't we just go through with it? It's obviously going to be better - Boris says so, and so does the fascist stockbroker and his bot army.

May and many others realise the No Deal alternative is worse. Disaster capitalists are waiting in the wings to exploit us all. Then when the real suffering hits, when poverty bites for the masses, (and it's already started - See UN report this week) people are dying of ailments that were cured FOC for the previous generation, that's when the Tory party gets swept away. With it their cosy little inside track deals at the public purse's expense.

[tonyh29]

47 minutes ago, bickster said:

Watch it happen all over again in another country if we eventually leave. As well as what has already been posted Putin wants the break up of the EU, it was edging closer and closer to Russia and with it NATO, hence the Ukraine situation. Destabilising the EU, destabilises NATO. With the USA and the UK at odds with the rest of the EU he's like a pig in shit.

the EU and NATO are not the same thing , Indeed the UK has always blocked EU actions towards defence and security integration preferring  cooperation through NATO .. if anything Brexit means the UK will play a bigger part in NATO as it uses it to boost our standing

Potentially the Permanent Structured Cooperation  defence framework ( EU army if you like ) could also  be seen as promoting  closer ties between the EU and NATO , though we  presumably won't be a part of this  it's in addition  to NATO not instead of  ... there is also the European Defense Fund, the Coordinated Annual Review on Defence, and the European Intervention Initiative  , so if anything the EU and NATO is getting stronger  ... even if it doesn't have any wish to actually do anything , see Crimea , South Ossetia 

As it plays a huge part in UK defence  , Scotland breaking away from the UK and joining the EU as part of its Independence  could be the biggest plus for Russia , I'm not hearing much about Sturgeon being a Russian puppet and the jocks brainwashed by bots

[StefanAVFC]

20 hours ago, LakotaDakota said:

Maybe this rise in milkshake chucking is down to the plastic straw ban, How are you supposed to drink a mcdonalds milkshake with a soggy paper straw..

Meanwhile.. Army vet of 22 years pensioner in his 80's apparently milkshaked in Aldershot for wearing a brexit party rosette outside a polling station.

 

 

So not only was he campaigning outside of a polling station (illegal) but now they're making shit up too?

Poor.

[tonyh29]

6 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

So not only was he campaigning outside of a polling station (illegal) but now they're making shit up too?

Poor.

Are you sure of the validity of that account making the faked claim ?

 

[snowychap]

On 23/05/2019 at 09:19, Amsterdam_Neil_D said:

Keep an eye on Holland in the elections,  it might go wrong here as well.  New Party created. "Forum for Democracy" 

Only an exit poll but:

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Timmermans’ Labor wins Dutch EU election: exit poll

The Dutch Labor Party of Frans Timmermans, the center-left candidate for European Commission president, is the unexpected winner of the European Parliament election in the Netherlands, according to an exit poll.

The party won five out of 26 seats with more than 18 percent of the vote, doubling its result compared to the last European election in 2014.

That means that the Dutch social democrats will be a larger force on EU level than Prime Minister Mark Rutte's liberal party, which came second on 14 percent, and Thierry Baudet's upstart Euroskeptic Forum for Democracy (FvD), which came fourth on 11 percent.

Ahead of the election, the Social Democrats had been projected to come third with three seats, with Rutte's and Baudet's parties expected to win five seats each.

The exit poll conducted by polling agency Ipsos for Dutch broadcaster NOS was based on a sample of 35 polling stations, which Ipsos said form a "good cross-section" of voting in the Netherlands. It has a margin of error of one seat, or 2 percentage points.

Timmermans responded to the election results from Barcelona on Thursday, where he was campaigning alongside Spain's Socialist Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez. "I would like to thank everyone in the Netherlands who voted for the PvdA for the trust they have placed in me, and I will do my utmost over the next five years to do justice to that trust," he said.

"There is a really clear majority in the Netherlands who want the EU to continue to play a role in tackling the problems that need to be solved," Timmermans added.

Rutte's People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD) rose from three seats in 2014 to four seats this time, according to the exit poll, while Baudet's FvD enters EU politics with three seats.

Rutte congratulated Timmermans' party. "The Labor Party has delivered an unbelievably good performance tonight," he said.

Of his own party's result, he said the VVD has made "considerable progress." He added: "It's a fine result, but of course one would have preferred to be the biggest party."

Asked whether he is happy the liberals came ahead of Baudet's party, Rutte said it is good the Euroskeptic FvD is "not the largest." He added: "Above all, I am very much in favor of a vision of Europe. There is still a great deal wrong with the EU, [but] in order to keep the Netherlands strong, you have to remain part of the EU, and this has, in any case, led to a profit for my party."

FvD's European lead candidate Derk Jan Eppink said that his party is "the biggest winner in the number of seats, we go from zero to three." He also congratulated Timmermans on his victory.

"What is surprising is of course the win of the PvdA, I think that's thanks to Mr. Timmermans," Eppink said.

The Christian Democrats (CDA), currently the biggest Dutch party in the European Parliament with five seats, lost one seat, according to the poll. The Green party of another Commission presidential candidate, Bas Eickhout, won three seats, up from two in 2014.

The big loser was Geert Wilders' far-right Freedom Party (PVV), which lost three of its four seats. The socialist-liberal Democrats 66 lost half of their votes, ending up with two seats.

According to the exit poll, turnout was up: some 41.2 percent of eligible voters in the Netherlands cast a ballot, compared to 37.3 percent in 2014.

The Netherlands and the U.K. were the only EU countries to hold their part of the European Parliament election on Thursday. Official results will be released only on Sunday evening, after all 28 EU countries have voted.