StefanAVFC Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 14 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Are you sure of the validity of that account making the faked claim ? I'm responding in turn to the original post that claimed it happened without any proof either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 24, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 24, 2019 26 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: So not only was he campaigning outside of a polling station (illegal) This bit isn't true, he's a party teller, he's outside the polling station, this is perfectly legal. I'd make it not so but that's a different matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 minute ago, bickster said: This bit isn't true, he's a party teller, he's outside the polling station, this is perfectly legal. I'd make it not so but that's a different matter I thought the rosette bit was the illegal bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 24, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 24, 2019 Just now, StefanAVFC said: I thought the rosette bit was the illegal bit? Nope, perfectly legal outside a polling station, he cannot walk inside with it on though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 24, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 24, 2019 39 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: the EU and NATO are not the same thing , Indeed the UK has always blocked EU actions towards defence and security integration preferring cooperation through NATO .. if anything Brexit means the UK will play a bigger part in NATO as it uses it to boost our standing Potentially the Permanent Structured Cooperation defence framework ( EU army if you like ) could also be seen as promoting closer ties between the EU and NATO , though we presumably won't be a part of this it's in addition to NATO not instead of ... there is also the European Defense Fund, the Coordinated Annual Review on Defence, and the European Intervention Initiative , so if anything the EU and NATO is getting stronger ... even if it doesn't have any wish to actually do anything , see Crimea , South Ossetia As it plays a huge part in UK defence , Scotland breaking away from the UK and joining the EU as part of its Independence could be the biggest plus for Russia , I'm not hearing much about Sturgeon being a Russian puppet and the jocks brainwashed by bots My point was and still is that the UK and the USA being at odds with the EU and other NATO members is in Putin's interest as it weakens both organisations, which it does. I didn't say they were the same thing. And because NATO / EU strengthens in one direction doesn't mean it hasn't weakened in another, it's a typical war of attrition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 40 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: So not only was he campaigning outside of a polling station (illegal) but now they're making shit up too? Poor. Why would you believe something you read on Twitter? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 24, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted May 24, 2019 17 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Why would you believe something you read on Twitter? The original claim was on Twitter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 35 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: I'm responding in turn to the original post that claimed it happened without any proof either. Well I think claiming “they are making shit up “ based on one unsubstantiated twitter article , is slightly different ... but I doubt we will agree on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Why would you believe something you read on Twitter? Did you ask LakotaDakota the same question? FWIW, there's this too Edited May 24, 2019 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 37 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: The original claim was on Twitter. Exactly. Best to ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 24, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, snowychap said: If Bath and NE Somerset is up by 5.6% Rees-Mogg needs a new seat come a GE, he's looking like toast in that seat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 hour ago, bickster said: If Bath and NE Somerset is up by 5.6% Rees-Mogg needs a new seat come a GE, he's looking like toast in that seat He won't care that much if he gets his Brexit? He's not in it for the greater good, he's out to feather his nest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 24, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Xann said: He won't care that much if he gets his Brexit? He's not in it for the greater good, he's out to feather his nest. Completely agree and he'll have wrecked the Tory Party into the bargain, so we'll at least have something to thank him for 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 5 hours ago, bickster said: Nope, perfectly legal outside a polling station, he cannot walk inside with it on though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 24, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted May 24, 2019 Not that it matters, but I don't believe that guy got milkshaked for a second. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted May 24, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 24, 2019 10 hours ago, bickster said: Watch it happen all over again in another country if we eventually leave. As well as what has already been posted Putin wants the break up of the EU, it was edging closer and closer to Russia and with it NATO, hence the Ukraine situation. Destabilising the EU, destabilises NATO. With the USA and the UK at odds with the rest of the EU he's like a pig in shit. See for me, while that's a nice narrative, I don't think it's the truth of the matter. I think the power and the influence lies with the US corporate structure - with private insurers, American banks and a host of US companies that would love to break up the EU and its interferences in trade. It's US corporate power that Farage has been cosying up to, not the Russians. Putin is a stooge, a convenient bad guy to look at. We're currently in the midst of a trade war between US companies and the rest of the world, a re-establishment of a hegemony that's been threatened by the growth of China - Brexit helps facilitate that, as does a weakening of trust in democratic process - Farage is a well paid infantryman in that war - he's helping to break up a rival trade group whilst persuading people that political action is their enemy. I think Putin would welcome a strong EU - it acts as a barrier between Russia and the ambitions of US money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Enda said: Have you thoroughly checked the veracity of the story? Is Sgt even a real rank? Where is this 'Armagh'? I only believe Brexity stuff without proof. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 24, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 24, 2019 26 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: It's US corporate power that Farage has been cosying up to, not the Russians. It's both, it's in both their interests They aren't mutually exclusive things. Putin is no stooge in this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Enda said: Also had a spare shirt with him. It's not even milkshake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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