Rugeley Villa Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, snowychap said: It's not even that really. It's 15 seconds of Michael Howard on Sky News and one of the UK's newspapers has gone and got a 'political correspondent' asking for quotes from a (retired) Rear Admiral on the UK's capability v a NATO ally. It's really quite stupid. For a moment there I thought we were going all trump . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 9 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: For a moment there I thought we were going all trump . Not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Remember when the Telegraph used to be a respected newspaper? Barely. EDIT: . . .as in, it feels a long time ago now. Edited April 2, 2017 by HanoiVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 It's the absolute glee on Howard's face as he's discusses this, that gets me. He can barely contain his excitement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Enda Posted April 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2017 1. The single market is not protectionist in the slightest; it's the customs union that keeps out foreign competitors. (Theresa May has indicated she wants out of single market, but in customs union.) 2. The problem with Gibraltar is that Spain are taking advantage of the situation, for what the Spanish government believe is in their best interest. In other words, they're doing exactly the sort of thing the U.K. government has done for decades, and the sort of thing the Telegraph applauds. See the UK's rebate, exclusion from Schengen, non-membership of the Euroarea, and derogation from the "ever closer union" clause, for just a few examples. You lot have been bending and shaping the EU to your self-interest for decades. Interesting how "the EU's democratic deficit" and "the rights of member states to push their own narrow agendas" are basically the same thing, innit? 3. With the exception of us all agreeing to have VAT at least 15%, member states have complete control of tax rates within the EU. There's no such guarantee for special trade deals for non-members like the USA or Future UK. If I were German, I wouldn't be a bit unhappy if Merkel insisted the U.K. have reasonable VAT and corp tax rates before signing a free trade deal with them. German self-interest, why wouldn't they demand it? Wouldn't Der Weltograph applaud such a strategy? Look, Brexiteers, you chose this path for (what you believe to be) your own self-interest. It's **** hypocritical to complain about EU member states doing the exact same thing now. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Enda said: 1. The single market is not protectionist in the slightest; it's the customs union that keeps out foreign competitors. (Theresa May has indicated she wants out of single market, but in customs union.) 2. The problem with Gibraltar is that Spain are taking advantage of the situation, for what the Spanish government believe is in their best interest. In other words, they're doing exactly the sort of thing the U.K. government has done for decades, and the sort of thing the Telegraph applauds. See the UK's rebate, exclusion from Schengen, non-membership of the Euroarea, and derogation from the "ever closer union" clause, for just a few examples. You lot have been bending and shaping the EU to your self-interest for decades. Interesting how "the EU's democratic deficit" and "the rights of member states to push their own narrow agendas" are basically the same thing, innit? 3. With the exception of us all agreeing to have VAT at least 15%, member states have complete control of tax rates within the EU. There's no such guarantee for special trade deals for non-members like the USA or Future UK. If I were German, I wouldn't be a bit unhappy if Merkel insisted the U.K. have reasonable VAT and corp tax rates before signing a free trade deal with them. German self-interest, why wouldn't they demand it? Wouldn't Der Weltograph applaud such a strategy? Look, Brexiteers, you chose this path for (what you believe to be) your own self-interest. It's **** hypocritical to complain about EU member states doing the exact same thing now. One of the most persistent and mystifying conservative delusions (and I chose a small 'c' for a reason, this applies not only to British conservatives but most of them around the world as far as I can tell) is their failure to understand that there are other people just like them, other nationalists, hawks and hard-liners, in other countries, putting the exact opposite pressure onto their governments. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 AKA bigots In fact you could say being bigoted is a fairly standard right wing trait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) You could but then wouldn't that make one bigoted as well * Changed "you" to "one "as I'm talking generic rather than the poster Edited April 3, 2017 by tonyh29 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 bigot - noun, a person blindly and obstinately devoted to a particular set of ideas, creed or political party, and dismissive towards others. Between the Left and the Right, I think it is a case of, he who has not sinned.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itdoesntmatterwhatthissay Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: One of the most persistent and mystifying conservative delusions (and I chose a small 'c' for a reason, this applies not only to British conservatives but most of them around the world as far as I can tell) is their failure to understand that there are other people just like them, other nationalists, hawks and hard-liners, in other countries, putting the exact opposite pressure onto their governments. A bit of reality would be great eh! The same can be said for those who complained EU citizens should not be used as a bargaining chip. It's incredible how ignorant people can be, as @MakemineVanilla also pointed out. Too many people only see one point of view without at least accepting the reality of another position. Edited April 3, 2017 by itdoesntmatterwhatthissay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StefanAVFC Posted April 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2017 Detestable. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: Enter your email here Detestable. words removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted April 4, 2017 Moderator Share Posted April 4, 2017 Anyone who pins up the free poster should be made to live in a darkened room and eat soil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chindie Posted April 4, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted April 4, 2017 Interesting article from Polly Toynbee in the Grauniad. I don't really like her, and it's not totally Brexit, but it is interesting to see someone in the media criticise the... Political reality?... of the older generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 26 minutes ago, blandy said: semi Hipster beard Purple trousers Quiche on the menu tbf there are a few more things to be ashamed of in that pic than buying the sun 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 25 minutes ago, Chindie said: ... in the Grauniad. Sunday's Observer... Quote This is a measure of the scale of the hard Tory Brexiters’ miscalculation – a damaging, historic error that will haunt this country for decades. The reality of separation from the EU is finally beginning to dawn. The initial two-year period of arduous, uphill negotiations with a more powerful, 27-nation bloc begins, and May’s second-rate team is no match Observer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 4, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted April 4, 2017 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: semi Hipster beard Purple trousers Quiche on the menu tbf there are a few more things to be ashamed of in that pic than buying the sun Well, that's what a Sun reader would say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Oh ffs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted April 5, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) Farage made his annual appearance at the European Parliament just to smooth things over today as well. Edited April 5, 2017 by Chindie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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