The now-enacted will of (some of) the people

[PieFacE]

10 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

The enforcement won't happen until the exit is complete, so I can't see why it'd be illegal. Nothing changes while we remain in the EU.

After article 50 is issued, freedom of movement will remain, however when we actually leave, the new immigration policies will be retrospective, going back to the date article 50 was invoked. 

Ooooh sorry you are correct, I misread the article. 

[snowychap]

On 29/01/2017 at 20:32, snowychap said:

French Socialist party have gone with Hamon over Valls.

Emmanuel Macron now 6/4.

I cashed out a month ago but, after drifting to 7/4 joint fav with Le Pen and Fillon, he's in to 8/11 fav after the shenanigans with Le Pen and Fillon (especially).

Fillon's home raided/searched earlier today as part of the investigation.

[Chindie]

Hammond's £60bn Brexit war chest is headscratchingly hilarious.

[StefanAVFC]

We pay £350 million a week to the EU. Lets spend it on Brexit instead.

[TrentVilla]

23 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

We pay £350 million a week to the EU. Lets spend it on Brexit instead.

Nah that's going on the NHS, I saw it on a bus so must be true.

[chrisp65]

SMMT data (2016 data for 2015)

Best year in a decade for British car exports.

Despite a significant fall in exports to China and Russia, this was offset with a rise in exports to the EU.

77% of all cars made in the UK go to export. Of the cars exported, 57.5% go to the EU.

Or, to put it another way, of every 100 cars made in the UK, 23 are sold in the UK, 44 in the rest of the EU

 

 

2016 to 2017 data: domestic market down 3.6%, export market up 10%

Edited March 6, 2017 by chrisp65
clarity, all for clarity!

[meregreen]

Let's see what tariffs do to those figures.

[colhint]

does that mean for every car we make we import 2 near enough. I wouldn't have thought the eu would want to hamper that trade

[HanoiVillan]

17 minutes ago, colhint said:

does that mean for every car we make we import 2 near enough. I wouldn't have thought the eu would want to hamper that trade

People in Britain are still going to want and need cars, non?

[Chindie]

The EU also has 20 odd other markets they can easily flog their cars to in the block. And any deficit from buying UK made cars can be potentially be seen as growth opportunities by EU based manufacturers.

[Dr_Pangloss]

The recent PSA purchase of Vauxhall will impact the UK's automobile imports, negatively. 

[chrisp65]

1 hour ago, colhint said:

does that mean for every car we make we import 2 near enough. I wouldn't have thought the eu would want to hamper that trade

No, I’m not sure where you got that figure from?

From what I’ve seen, as a % of GDP car exports make up approx 10% of all exports and car imports from the world make up approx 7% of our total imports (similar figures over several years in reports from SMMT, OECD, Parliament). But, that’s 10% of a lower figure for exports as we export less ‘stuff’ in total than we import (hence balance of trade deficit). In monetary terms it’s as close to equal as makes no difference, we win or lose depending on exchange rates.
But that’s a comparator with total car imports not just the EU but USA and China, Japan and Korea and all of those. On a strict UK versus EU comparison any car based tariffs or trade war hurts both parties, but hurts us more.

It’s a comforting popular brexiteer’s slogan to say BMW won’t allow a trade war. But whilst a ‘ban’ on beemers would hurt them, the equivalent would potentially close our industry down.

But I’m sure there’s a secret deal to be done somewhere to stop that happening. It can be slush funded out from that money nobody ever really promised for the NHS.
 

[Chindie]

I'd assume that Hammond's £60bn war chest contains at least a few billion to beg some big names (coughNissancough) to not saunter across the channel for a few years at least.

[a m ole]

Unelected Lords deny totally legit Prime Minister from doing whatever the **** she wants!

[Chindie]

Let's see what the defeats actually achieve...

[a m ole]

21 minutes ago, Chindie said:

Let's see what the defeats actually achieve...

True. I wonder if the lords will be described as Enemies of the People in the 'papers' tomorrow.

[peterms]

A small peek into the imagination of Michael Forsyth:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/07/theresa-may-heads-for-battle-with-mps-over-brexit-bill

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Lord Forsyth, the former Scotland secretary, said: “These amendments are trying to tie down the prime minister. Tie her down by her hair, by her arms, by her legs, in every conceivable way...

 

[Enda]

On 3/7/2017 at 08:09, colhint said:

does that mean for every car we make we import 2 near enough. I wouldn't have thought the eu would want to hamper that trade

Dead right we don't, we'd very much like you to remain in the single market with us, and you're welcome to do so.

[peterms]

[Chindie]

It'll be interesting to see these negotiations play. The 'phoney war' so far has seemingly been us trying to play Billy Big Bollocks with veiled threats and the EU voices being quiet and largely mature about it.

I can't escape this vision of us walking to the table demanding the moon on a stick and then taking our ball home.

Apart from the fact increasingly everything coming out of the government suggests that no deal is the entire aim. Perhaps they might try to spin it, Dunkirk style, as a victory, to walk away with nothing.

Idiots.