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Popular Post markavfc40 Posted July 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2022 This is brilliant from Led by Donkeys. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: This is brilliant from Led by Donkeys. Got the big calls right though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 24, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2022 Brexiteers. Just lie,lie, lie. Anyone questions it just call them a remoaner and mention project fear. Then lie some more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Big top story on BBC all about the delays everywhere around Kent. Doesn’t mention the B word once, neither have they enabled commenting Drivers face hotspot of holiday hell near Eurotunnel - AA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 24, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted July 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Genie said: Big top story on BBC all about the delays everywhere around Kent. Doesn’t mention the B word once, neither have they enabled commenting Drivers face hotspot of holiday hell near Eurotunnel - AA Other than a 1 minute video which says it’s caused by not being in the EU anymore… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 13 minutes ago, blandy said: Other than a 1 minute video which says it’s caused by not being in the EU anymore… Ah ok, fair enough. I only scanned the text updates and didn’t watch the linked videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 1 hour ago, KentVillan said: I genuinely think Brexit was just a huge unforced error from Cameron that could have easily been avoided. People have wasted the subsequent years trying to read the tea leaves, but it was just a very specific convergence of circumstances, huge mistakes, and a very well fought Leave campaign (vs a totally incompetent and complacent Remain campaign). The big problems in British politics continue to be housing, stagnant wages, and a lack of investment in infrastructure outside London. Brexit is just an additional barrier that has been layered on top of that, but obsessing over all the culture war shite is a distraction. Tabloid fuelled anti-Brussels sentiment has been a feature of British politics for decades, but Thatcher, Major, Blair and Brown were all smart enough to just ignore it. Cameron got cocky after the Scottish referendum, and didn’t realise he was taking a pointless risk with almost no upside. I thought cameron did it because he out it in his manifesto hence why he went ahead with it. It wasnt a good decision by him but i didnt think people would be stupid enough to vote out 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I thought cameron did it because he out it in his manifesto hence why he went ahead with it. It wasnt a good decision by him but i didnt think people would be stupid enough to vote out Yep but there was no need to put it in the manifesto, and PMs have often walked back from manifesto commitments (Blair promised proportional representation in 1997, for example.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 The risk back then was that the conservative voters were going to switch to Brexit / UKIP type parties who were pushing for a referendum. Cameron promised it to basically make all those parties go away at a stroke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 24, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Genie said: The risk back then was that the conservative voters were going to switch to Brexit / UKIP type parties who were pushing for a referendum. Cameron promised it to basically make all those parties go away at a stroke. That wasn't quite it, there was also the ERG MPs threatening to leave the party and join UKIP too (like Douglas Carswell later did) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 1 minute ago, bickster said: That wasn't quite it, there was also the ERG MPs threatening to leave the party and join UKIP too (like Douglas Carswell later did) Yes, my point being it had gone past the point of doing nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, KentVillan said: Yep but there was no need to put it in the manifesto, and PMs have often walked back from manifesto commitments (Blair promised proportional representation in 1997, for example.) It was media driven - influencing people how bad the EU was and how much better we would be. I think people wanted it. As much of a collosal **** up it was he kept his word on that one. Unfortunately it was perhaps the worst thing he could have kept his word on! On that one i would have been happy if he lied to us 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 29 minutes ago, Genie said: Yes, my point being it had gone past the point of doing nothing. Possibly. Cameron was always known in Tory circles for prioritising party management, and in this case he probably went too far trying to keep “the bastards” happy. John Major made the right call on this. As Danny Finkelstein has said many times, there is no peace offering the Eurosceptic / ERG crowd will ever accept, they just keep pushing for more. Cameron got sucked into their game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted July 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) (with obvious apologies for the organ of choice) Edit - it's a parody, to be clear. Edited July 25, 2022 by ml1dch 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, ml1dch said: (with obvious apologies for the organ of choice) I wonder if he paid for it himself, or if he’s blagged it as a work event and it’s a loss to the tax payers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 25, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, ml1dch said: (with obvious apologies for the organ of choice) I hope it arrives, has gone putrid, but they don't notice so everyone eats it and dies a long, horrible death covered in shit and vomit 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted July 25, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I hope it arrives, has gone putrid, but they don't notice so everyone eats it and dies a long, horrible death covered in shit and vomit Harsh but fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 45 minutes ago, ml1dch said: (with obvious apologies for the organ of choice) In the Led by Donkeys video posted above JRM himself says delays will be in Calais not Dover . Absolutely glorious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phily85 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Why isnt he using good old British food. Supporting those british farmers British produce Britain Britain Britain I thought that's what Brexit was about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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