tonyh29 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 George Osborne has confidently predicted that Brexit will spark a year-long recession, ending a six-year run of getting his economic predictions completely wrong. he he 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 I can't wait to vote out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Gove is doing a terrible job on question time persuading us to leave. Any person with half a brain can see it's all guess work and no foundation with his plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 13 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: The whole 'project fear' thing is stupid. if it's good enough to title threads about baby eating Tories whilst labelling all tories selfish evil bastards etc etc then excuse me while I refer to it as Project Fear and annoy some lefty guardian readers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 21 minutes ago, villakram said: but nobody predicted that oil would go from ~$20 to >$100 and stay there for a number of years. Hence, their oil went from being a rainy day fund to the worlds largest hedge fund. Also, the simply amazing transformation in societies ability to be interconnected was foreseen be very very few. In light of this, I'd suggest that jumping up and down and saying "nananana, we were right", is a little on the hubristic side of things. It would only be hubristic had the EU offered protection to the Norwegian economy in the case of a collapse in oil prices and their non-membership lost them that protection. Does the EU offer such protection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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brommy Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Get the cow off the boat! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Davkaus Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Cook Pass Farage. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Why bother with facts when waffle wins every time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) Facts don't matter any more. Trust in the establishment has reached a dangerously low level in which expert opinion is scoffed at and facts are shrugged off (unless said 'facts' support one's own position). It's frightening. Edited June 16, 2016 by CarewsEyebrowDesigner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 16, 2016 Author Moderator Share Posted June 16, 2016 33 minutes ago, CarewsEyebrowDesigner said: Trust in the establishment has reached a dangerously low level It has, but it's entirely the fault of the "establishment" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Facts can easily be disproved using the internet now though, that's why they should stop twisting any truths and just give us the totalitarian facts. I can tell you now that 80% of jobs are not going to johnny foreigners, so I won't even watch it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 16, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2016 23 hours ago, Xann said: If this is here already? Have a reminder. "A boat's a boat, but the mystery box could be anything... ... it could even be a boat!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 16, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2016 16 hours ago, dAVe80 said: That is incredible 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 16, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2016 Ukip unveiled a new poster today. Apologies for an uncensored photo of the demonic pug they call their leader. Someone spotted something about that image. Not Farage. I didn't know Goebbels was still working. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockingbird_franklin Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) Not sure anyone has pointed this out yet, but no matter which way we the people vote, it's only advisory and not binding, parliament can totally ignore the result and do the opposite. Anyone who sends more than a fleeting glance parliaments way, especially under the latest bunch of words removed to be in control will know they are not particularly interested in actually representing the people, as they are supposed to. Edited June 17, 2016 by mockingbird_franklin typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Sorry if this already in the thread, I spotted it this morning. Produced by the FT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lapal_fan Posted June 17, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2016 18 hours ago, Chindie said: Ukip unveiled a new poster today. Apologies for an uncensored photo of the demonic pug they call their leader. Someone spotted something about that image. Not Farage. I didn't know Goebbels was still working. The people in all of those photos deserve sympathy, not contempt. Suggesting that those people are a problem to this country is ignorant, in poor taste and at worst - inhumane. Those people are not animals, they are people who are not fortunate enough to be born in the "right" place. How he can get away with that sort of suggestive crap is beyond me. I'd sooner all of those people be let in, than have one, single Nigel Farage in the country. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ccfcman Posted June 17, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) Though the debate has many factors, there is one which grates hugely. One of the most worrying if not comical aspects to the whole thing is the amount of ill informed people who think the EU is the reason so many migrants head to Britain, and that they're "taking all our jobs", as well as "pushing up house prices". The UK and Ireland aren't in the Schengen Zone, so there are border controls already in place. Of the top 10 countries of origin for migrants to Britain, 4 are part of the EU. Poland (2nd), Ireland (4th), Germany (5th), and Romania (9th). The rest are pretty much from countries that the British colonised. India (1st), Pakistan (3rd), South Africa (6th), Nigeria (7th), Bangladesh (8th), and the United States (10th) By consequence, Ireland ends up with a load of non-European illegal immigrants, whom over-stayed their visas in the UK, then passed into Ireland via Northern Ireland. Particularly from Pakistan, and Nigeria. They then take advantage of our dysfunctional asylum system. When it comes to the British abroad, there are four times as many claiming unemployment benefit in Ireland, than there are Irish claiming it in Britain. This is true too for Germany. Last year, of the 5,129,520 people claiming unemployment benefit it in the UK, only 113,960 were from EU states, with 257,260 from outside. The rest were UK citizens. To that point there is the bizarre "welfare scroungers" narrative running parallel to "taking our jobs" line. The two don't really fit together. When it comes to governing the country, the UK has opted out of most of the big EU agreements, apart from those that have really benefited the country, such as Agriculture, and Fishing. Successive governments negotiated their own trade agreements outside of the EU. The UK set (mostly) its own taxes, control their own currency, restrict movement with border controls. If Brexit comes to pass (I still suspect it won't - a la Scottish Ref & the supposed Labour surge pre election 2015) the world won't end & the change will make things "interesting" for a while, but people should be receiving accurate information so as to make an informed decision. The UK (not as whole but to some extent) is in danger of rapidly regressing into a state filled with xenophobic hatred, where citizens could find themselves very unwelcome in other EU States. Ironically likely to be very popular in a US under Trump though Edited June 17, 2016 by ccfcman 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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