HanoiVillan Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) One point, which is important in context whether the story is true or not, is that charities ship clothing to third world countries much more reluctantly these days. People in those countries complain - with real justification - that dumping free stuff from westerners destroys native garment industries. No charity would want to take 40,000 shirts off our hands anyway. Edited February 2, 2016 by HanoiVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted February 2, 2016 Moderator Share Posted February 2, 2016 Sounds odd to me. In my experience the club don't buy the shirts. They make a forecast to the supplier, in this case Macron, who will marry that up against other clubs they work with to see if the numbers make sense. They'll look at their own retail channels to see what demand there might be (for instance Nike have good relationships with the likes of Sports Direct, plus their own retail stores) and work out the right number to produce. The club, typically, would buy enough shirts for their own outlets (two stores plus online) and would receive for free (or heavily discounted) the products required for the teams and staff at all levels. This is the important part - all other shirts to be sold are owned, distributed and managed by the supplier, Macron. Everything they sell will see a royalty being paid to the club. I've never, ever heard of a club buying their own replica shirts for sale outside of their own stores - at least not on a scale like this. As this is Villa it could be some sort of shonky deal we've signed up for and I could be wrong, but in my experience this would be a completely unique, and somewhat bizarre, scenario. PS - good luck fitting 40,000 shirts in two skips... That's the entire stock of around 5 large, single-storey retail stores. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Richard said: An informed friend of mine described Hollis's role to me earlier as asset stripping. In his opinion of course Sounds like your friend has a solid opinion to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Djemba_Villan Posted February 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) There is only one explanation left then. Hollis was clearly brought in due to his background in pagan rituals; and has; on our behalf; banished the club of negative spirit or somesuch by burning the remaining stock - in some sort of symbolic gesture to breathe new life into the team. Sounds obvious to me now. If we win tonight we should get a chant going for him Edited February 2, 2016 by Djemba_Villan 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Judged by some of the comments in here he's doing the job Lerner brought him in to do A human dartboard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 55 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: One point, which is important in context whether the story is true or not, is that charities ship clothing to third world countries much more reluctantly these days. People in those countries complain - with real justification - that dumping free stuff from westerners destroys native garment industries. No charity would want to take 40,000 shirts off our hands anyway. Get outa here. Population of 6illion world wide I doubt 40k shirts would destroy native garment industries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) 25 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: Sounds odd to me. In my experience the club don't buy the shirts. They make a forecast to the supplier, in this case Macron, who will marry that up against other clubs they work with to see if the numbers make sense. They'll look at their own retail channels to see what demand there might be (for instance Nike have good relationships with the likes of Sports Direct, plus their own retail stores) and work out the right number to produce. The club, typically, would buy enough shirts for their own outlets (two stores plus online) and would receive for free (or heavily discounted) the products required for the teams and staff at all levels. This is the important part - all other shirts to be sold are owned, distributed and managed by the supplier, Macron. Everything they sell will see a royalty being paid to the club. I've never, ever heard of a club buying their own replica shirts for sale outside of their own stores - at least not on a scale like this. As this is Villa it could be some sort of shonky deal we've signed up for and I could be wrong, but in my experience this would be a completely unique, and somewhat bizarre, scenario. PS - good luck fitting 40,000 shirts in two skips... That's the entire stock of around 5 large, single-storey retail stores. This all makes sense, the initial outrage blinded me to the logistics of it. However there's a chance it is somewhat true, the sort of thing that gets passed on between a few people and vastly exaggerated. I doubt they'd start a huge fire in a skip and burn polyester behind the club shop, but maybe they sent it all to a proper place to be incinerated. Maybe it was 4,000 shirts instead of 40,000, and it was in storage at the manufacturers factory in China or wherever Macron shirts are made. Maybe it was all bollocks though, who knows. Edited February 2, 2016 by a m ole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I know someone who gets any fake top from China with name and number for £25. But he has too many villa shirts so selling them for a tenner. I know this has nothing to do with the story but I just thought I'd throw in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Get outa here. Population of 6illion world wide I doubt 40k shirts would destroy native garment industries. I'm going to do the decent thing and allow you to work out for yourself why that's a really silly comment. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I'm going to do the decent thing and allow you to work out for yourself why that's a really silly comment. That is very courteous of you but I didn't really need to state that not all 6 billion people suffer from poverty did I? I'd rather you explain if that's ok? edit: let me just add I could probably hand out 40k shirts my self to friends and family back in India knowing 100% for a fact it would not hurt any industry. Edited February 2, 2016 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted February 2, 2016 Moderator Share Posted February 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, a m ole said: This all makes sense, the initial outrage blinded me to the logistics of it. However there's a chance it is somewhat true, the sort of thing that gets passed on between a few people and vastly exaggerated. I doubt they'd start a huge fire in a skip and burn polyester behind the club shop, but maybe they sent it all to a proper place to be incinerated. Maybe it was 4,000 shirts instead of 40,000, and it was in storage at the manufacturers factory in China or wherever Macron shirts are made. Maybe it was all bollocks though, who knows. They'd sell them to somwhere like TK Maxx at the end of the season before they'd torch them. It'd be a last resort, and quite a few months later than now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1974Centenary Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I'm going to do the decent thing and allow you to work out for yourself why that's a really silly comment. Kettle calling the pot black,lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 8 minutes ago, a m ole said: This all makes sense, the initial outrage blinded me to the logistics of it. However there's a chance it is somewhat true, the sort of thing that gets passed on between a few people and vastly exaggerated. I doubt they'd start a huge fire in a skip and burn polyester behind the club shop, but maybe they sent it all to a proper place to be incinerated. Maybe it was 4,000 shirts instead of 40,000, and it was in storage at the manufacturers factory in China or wherever Macron shirts are made. Maybe it was all bollocks though, who knows. Maybe they folded the 40,000 shirts really neatly, like in Gap, to fit them in the skips. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted February 2, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 2, 2016 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: One point, which is important in context whether the story is true or not, is that charities ship clothing to third world countries much more reluctantly these days. People in those countries complain - with real justification - that dumping free stuff from westerners destroys native garment industries. No charity would want to take 40,000 shirts off our hands anyway. I think they would complain more that they were given this season's Villa shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djemba_Villan Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 9 minutes ago, coda said: Maybe they folded the 40,000 shirts really neatly, like in Gap, to fit them in the skips. Maybe there was a complete ballsup at the order stage and they ordered 40000 of the 'midget with really long arm' variant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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villakram Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 2 hours ago, limpid said: It's one person on an internet forum. What do you think? Why would anyone deny it? It's Aston Villa... they probably will issue an official denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Djemba_Villan said: Maybe there was a complete ballsup at the order stage and they ordered 40000 of the 'midget with really long arm' variant. Hang on. I bought a gil top! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: I'm going to do the decent thing and allow you to work out for yourself why that's a really silly comment. Still waiting to hear why this is such a silly comment. Please educate me. How will I learn otherwise? Edited February 2, 2016 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Wonder if Hollis coming in means we will never see Adama Traore again. 10 appearances and we have to increase his wage from 40k/week to 75k/week. Who the **** agreed that contract in the 1st place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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