Zatman Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 well all the media talk is that Garde is going so club lack of talk on this is very strange at moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Ties into the whole Villa vs the media thing that Lerner has got the club doing though doesn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 23, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2016 40 minutes ago, BOF said: It was my understanding that the payoff a manager receives when he is fired is the wages (or part thereof) he would have received had he stayed to the end of said contract. So he doesn't continue to get paid, he just instantly receives all of (or part thereof) his future wages in one lump sum from that club. Which is why they can sit on a beach for a few years if they choose to (here's looking at you David O'Leary). Lump sum on the accounts. But I imagine a lot of managers are paid in installments, i,e, monthly wages like they would have been paid anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted March 23, 2016 Moderator Share Posted March 23, 2016 I just assumed/imagined it was a "here's your bag of money, now piss off" type thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 4 hours ago, mwj said: Do you have trouble reading? I didn't say there wasn't a transfer committee. I just don't absolve Sherwood of blame as the man with the final decision on transfers. Lescott - approved Richards - approved Sinclair - approved Gestede - approved Veretout - approved Gana - approved Illori - approved Crespo - approved Traore - approved "I'm not sure how you can disagree with that." How do you know he approved all those signings. I know he was on the transfer committee but did he have the final say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 23, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2016 Just now, PaulC said: How do you know he approved all those signings. I know he was on the transfer committee but did he have the final say. Yes. He did. He said so himself several times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Zatman said: think the pay-off is until the manager finds work, I remember reading DI Matteo had to give it up when he accepted Schalke job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Yes. He did. He said so himself several times. Well maybe if you can provide evidence of that I might believe it but I know you're not impartial so i still have doubts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Yes. He did. He said so himself several times. Cant really understand why but. Things like the above are stated in interviews, OS, linked here and YT yet people still ignore them an go on about things with their own versions of the facts peddling their own rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Quote “I certainly had a say, but the final say? It was more of a combined collective decision and ultimately the man who puts his hand in his pocket is the one who has to make that decision,” he told beIN Sports. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, PaulC said: Well maybe if you can provide evidence of that I might believe it but I know you're not impartial so i still have doubts. It took me a Google search, admittedly: Aston Villa boss Tim Sherwood: 'Now it's my neck on the line' 22:30, 2 SEP 2015 BY GREGG EVANS Villa boss confirms he had the final say on all transfers and admits he will take responsibility for successes or failures of his new team http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-tim-sherwood-9977791 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 23, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, PaulC said: Well maybe if you can provide evidence of that I might believe it but I know you're not impartial so i still have doubts. Quote But Sherwood insists he had the final say, he is the one to blame if it all goes wrong, and he should be the one to take credit if they turn into claret and blue superstars. “If they are a success they are down to me,” he said. “If they are a failure it’s also down to me. “I’ve got no excuse. I won’t be blaming anyone else. “You can do that if they’re not your players and if you have to work with what you are dealt. Of course you will have every right to, then. “But that’s not what happens here.” Link First quote I came across. He was quoted many times. Once he'd been sacked he seemed to go back on this in one interview where he claimed Lerner had the final say, but I assume that was in terms of money, because I'm fairly certain Lerner wouldn't be involved in deciding what players to go for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 1 minute ago, PaulC said: “I certainly had a say, but the final say? It was more of a combined collective decision and ultimately the man who puts his hand in his pocket is the one who has to make that decision,” he told beIN Sports. Thats Tim-spin for ya If he didnt want to accept it he should have walked. But no, he B-lined for 20th so he could be sacked/paid off Sly Cockney .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) im sure if Sherwood had final say on all players he would have went for Lennon or Townsend over Traore for example sure since I was criticized for similar before but I dont see why people bring up Sherwood in Garde thread as a way to defend Garde Edited March 23, 2016 by Zatman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 1 minute ago, Zatman said: im sure if Sherwood had final say on all players he would have went for Lennon or Townsend over Traore for example I think you're misunderstanding "final say". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 4 hours ago, mwj said: Do you have trouble reading? I didn't say there wasn't a transfer committee. I just don't absolve Sherwood of blame as the man with the final decision on transfers. Lescott - approved Richards - approved Sinclair - approved Gestede - approved Veretout - approved Gana - approved Illori - approved Crespo - approved Traore - approved "I'm not sure how you can disagree with that." Who absolved him of blame. The post of mine that started all this clearly said Sherwood was part of the transfer committee. Maybe if you'd read that properly we could have saved ourselves from this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Just saw Lambert speaking on Sky about how the decline was inevitable. Friggin hell looks like he has gone backwards in age about 20 years since his time here!!!lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 23, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2016 Just now, Zatman said: im sure if Sherwood had final say on all players he would have went for Lennon or Townsend over Traore for example Quote “We made a huge effort to bring him to the club because I’ve known him for a couple of years. “He is someone I have been tracking for a long time." Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: im sure if Sherwood had final say on all players he would have went for Lennon or Townsend over Traore for example sure since I was criticized for similar before but I dont see why people bring up Sherwood in Garde thread as a way to defend Garde Lennon or Townsend choosing to go elsewhere has no bearing on this. If he didn't want players he had all the power to say no to them. That is the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Sherwood had the final say, I've no doubt about that. But I don't believe he's the one who picked all of these players. If he's offered 3 fairly average unknown midfield players and says out of them I'll take Veretout. Then yes he's had the final say but it's not like he's picked every player we signed. This isn't defending him because I imagine the likes of Gestede and Lescott where players he pushed through. So I'm not going to pretend he'd have signed a brilliant squad if given a free role. I imagine he chose some and some were presented to him. He takes a lot of blame for our squad but so do the rest of the committee. As a collective they **** up and rightly most of them are no longer here. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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