Dodgyknees Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 19 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I just had a look , I’ll never google anything ever again Blimey, she's really gone to the dogs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 10 hours ago, LakotaDakota said: Brilliant reaction but has the world really gone that mad that someone can't even be seen with any sort of disposable coffee cup. Expect to see an aide wheeling this around after him for the rest of the day It's really sweet that his aides think that his biggest optics problem in the country right now is that he might be viewed as not having read the most recent recycling memo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: She could barely contain herself Indeed. Edited October 2, 2019 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted October 2, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 2, 2019 8 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: It must be some 'trying to fit in thing' right? The daughter of immigrants championing policy that would make it harder for people like her parents to come here is baffling. It's a form of self-hatred. Thatcher's father was a greengrocer/shop-owner and I believe she even grew up over the shop. But she hated the working class with a passion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 2, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2019 Going back to Priti Patel and her speech, the same day that she was claiming that they were going to encourage the brightest minds to come to Britain, this story broke... Quote Oxford professor’s children refused visas to join her in UK US family split as Home Office makes it increasingly difficult for overseas academics to work in UK universities Amber Murrey, an American academic, was “ecstatic” about being appointed associate professor in geography at Oxford University last year. But the dream turned sour two weeks ago when the Home Office refused to grant visas for her two daughters, aged four and nine, to live with her in the UK. Dr Murrey used an immigration lawyer to make sure the visa applications for her daughters, who have US passports, went smoothly, and was not anticipating a problem. Her husband has business commitments overseeing property renovations in Cameroon, where he is from, and the couple had included joint written consent for their daughters to live with her in Oxford. “When I read those three unemotional sentences saying they were denying my children entry to the UK I felt complete disbelief,” she says. “I had already packed the girls’ bags and bought their school uniforms. It is insane that you can have a legal document with both parents’ consent to have the children with their mother and they simply say no, that can’t happen.” Her case will add to a tide of anger among academics, who say the Home Office’s hostile immigration environment is making it difficult for talented people from abroad to forge an academic career in the UK. Guardian (Contains another example too) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 2, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2019 Oh and this... Quote NHS doctor in Liverpool threatened with deportation over visa mistake ‘I just felt it was so hostile and evidently they just want to drive me out the country,’ says Mu-Chun Chiang A junior doctor who has lived in the UK for most of her life has said she felt like packing up and leaving after being told to leave the country or face deportation. Mu-Chun Chiang, 27, has spent 18 years in the UK and feels more “ingrained” in the culture here, where she is training to become a GP, than in her native Taiwan. But despite this, she received a letter telling her she had a week to leave the country or risk either being kicked out or up to six months’ imprisonment after her visa application was rejected over what campaigners described as a “nonsensical administrative issue”. Dr Chiang, who works at Liverpool’s Aintree University Hospital, moved to the UK in 2006 to study in Cambridge and previously lived in Glasgow with her parents from 1997 to 2002. She told The Independent: “Honestly, when I read the letter I was in a state of shock. I was very panicked; the letter itself is really threatening. Indie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 One infuriating aspect of the 'hostile environment' is that the only way to get anybody to look again critically at the most absurd decisions the Home Office makes is to persuade a journalist to write about them in a national newspaper. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 2, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 2, 2019 5 hours ago, TheAuthority said: It's a form of self-hatred. Thatcher's father was a greengrocer/shop-owner and I believe she even grew up over the shop. But she hated the working class with a passion. No contradiction there. Shop owners aren't working class. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted October 2, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2019 12 hours ago, mjmooney said: She was a particular favourite of mine back in the day. But my god, have you seen what she's like now? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) Ah yes. (ht Matt Chorley) Edited October 2, 2019 by ml1dch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 2, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2019 Ironically we are a leading manufacturer of wind turbines, it's one of those businesses that will benefit from the weak pound that Brexit will bring. I imagine the wind turbine business will create tens of jobs a month if orders pick up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 2, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2019 26 minutes ago, bickster said: Ironically we are a leading manufacturer of wind turbines Not sure that's true. We could have been, but y'know. Tories. Most of the main companies are Chinese, American, German and Danish, I think edit - Google sez you're right. But the companies ar mostly foreign. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 2, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, blandy said: Not sure that's true. We could have been, but y'know. Tories. Most of the main companies are Chinese, American, German and Danish, I think Just a convo we were having in work the other day tbh, not something I've even seen written down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 2, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, bickster said: not something I've even seen written down Me either till I googled it after typing. I saw a TV thing yonks ago about these people putting up and servicing and maintaining wind farms in the ogin of the NW coast, and it mentioned Denmark as a leader in the manufacture - I think these ones on the telly were Danish made, and they said some stuff about China, America etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 2, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, blandy said: Me either till I googled it after typing. I saw a TV thing yonks ago about these people putting up and servicing and maintaining wind farms in the ogin of the NW coast, and it mentioned Denmark as a leader in the manufacture - I think these ones on the telly were Danish made, and they said some stuff about China, America etc. The ones in the sea by us are maintained by a Danish company but some of their staff tell me that a lot of the ones back home are maintained by Brits, go figure! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, mjmooney said: No contradiction there. Shop owners aren't working class. You see I’ve always had a bee in my bonnet over these analogies. As far as I’m concerned the very concept of the middle class is a term designed to divide working people into sub divisions , that can then be turned against each other. Divide and rule has always been the method used by the Tories . The great question for the ruling elite was always “how do we get those with the least, to vote for those with the most”. Splitting better paid “workers” from the lower paid, is simply a tool used by the 1%. As far as I’m concerned anyone who has to work to live, is by definition from the working class. Rant over. Edited October 2, 2019 by meregreen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mjmooney Posted October 2, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, meregreen said: You see I’ve always had a bee in my bonnet over these analogies. As far as I’m concerned the very concept of the middle class is a term designed to divide working people into sub divisions , that can then be turned against each other. Divide and rule has always been the method used by the Tories . The great question for the ruling elite was always “how do we get those with the least, to vote for those with the most”. Splitting better paid “workers” from the lower paid, is simply a tool used by the 1%. As far as I’m concerned anyone who has to work to live, is by definition from the working class. Rant over. Oh, I totally agree. It's the old Two Ronnies + John Cleese sketches. But there is that distinction between those who put their own money into a business enterprise (and possibly employing staff) - entrepreneurs - and those who are merely employees taking home a wage. Conservatives tend to favour the former ahead of the latter. Socialists vice versa. But you are right. The really rich and powerful will cynically play those two groups off against each other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 2 hours ago, meregreen said: Splitting better paid “workers” from the lower paid, is simply a tool used by the 1%. As far as I’m concerned anyone who has to work to live, is by definition from the working class. Hence the phrasing "workers by hand and brain" in the old Clause IV, intended at that time to get away from the attempts to split white and blue collar workers, and to emphasise that they have a common interest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 21 hours ago, snowychap said: However much one might think PMQs is a bit of a farce, Johnson would appear to be running slightly scared of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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