choffer Posted September 14, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, Chindie said: It's the kind of thing a complete clearing in the woods would say. Appropriately. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 53 minutes ago, magnkarl said: I thought it was only the "right" that used spin doctors? There's no spinning any more c*** into him. He's been quite saturated for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 14, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted September 14, 2017 55 minutes ago, Chindie said: I don't know... I think you're being somewhat kind. He says the rise in use of food banks is an awareness issue, heavily implying that poverty is not the problem, and spinning that rise as a lovely thing. It's the kind of thing a complete clearing in the woods would say. Appropriately. The part I'm on about is this part Quote to have charitable support given by people voluntarily to support their fellow citizens, I think is rather uplifting and shows what a good, compassionate country we are which is not "depending on food banks is a good thing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 His 'take' is still exceptionally stupid. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted September 14, 2017 Moderator Share Posted September 14, 2017 3 hours ago, magnkarl said: I wonder how the same people would react if someone was to mention how Corbyn has links to Hamas because he supports their cause even though they commit heinous acts every week. By all means though, let's change what Mogg said and be angry about the edited version. I thought it was only the "right" that used spin doctors? I wonder how the same people would react if someone was to mention how May has links to Israel/Saudi Arabia because even though she most likely disagrees with apartheid and probably doesn't like the idea of a global Wahabbist state, she likes money more than principle. See, easy that isn't it? In terms of Rees-Mogg, well he's the epitome of the new politician who has proved that the public will vote for a confident, high profile idiot a lot more often than a competent, capable dull person in a suit. He's Boris 2.0. On a related matter, isn't it great when there's a terrorist attack or a major fire? I love it. It's great to see ordinary working people helping each other when they're covered in blood. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 3 hours ago, magnkarl said: I thought it was only the "right" that used spin doctors? Why on earth did you think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 14, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted September 14, 2017 2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: I wonder how the same people would react if someone was to mention how May has links to Israel/Saudi Arabia because even though she most likely disagrees with apartheid and probably doesn't like the idea of a global Wahabbist state, she likes money more than principle. See, easy that isn't it? In terms of Rees-Mogg, well he's the epitome of the new politician who has proved that the public will vote for a confident, high profile idiot a lot more often than a competent, capable dull person in a suit. He's Boris 2.0. On a related matter, isn't it great when there's a terrorist attack or a major fire? I love it. It's great to see ordinary working people helping each other when they're covered in blood. What money does Theresa May get from Israel or Saudi, OBE? What links does she have to Saudi or Israel, beyond being current head of the UK Gov't that has a relation with Israel and SA etc.? I think it's kind of a government judgement that trading with them is (in their view) more in our (the people they are required to represent) interest than not. The thing is, that the UK Government (of various stripes) has been selling weapons etc. to various friendly, well run, badly run, appallingly run etc. nations for decades. Labour did that too. Corbyn as a Labour MP is surely "linked" to Saudi too? Clearly not as much as the current PM, or previous ones, because he isn't/wasn't PM as such. Corbyn's links to Hamas, the IRA etc. seem to be less about any role in any process and more about sympathy with their cause and methods. Both the various Gov'ts and Corbyn have turned a blind eye to the outrages. The reasoning behind their blind eyes seem of a different nature, to me. In blunt terms various Governments believe they have more influence over (say ) SA, they get more co-operation which protects the UK from harm, they get to keep thousands of UK people in work, they get tax revenue to pay for UK hospitals, Schools whatever, and they judge (rightly or wrongly) that if they stop having a relationship with these nations when they do bad things, the influence, jobs, hospital money and al the rest that go to and help protect us will be lost and go to, maybe, Russia, Trump, China instead. Not sure what I/we gain from Corbyn chumming up to Hamas or IRA. Agree on Rees-Mogg. He's a bell, like Boris. Yeah people having to use food banks is not good in any regard, other than it does show the good side of the people who run and donate too them etc. They shouldn't be necessary in the UK, or ideally anywhere. That they are is a massive shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) Rees-Mogg is another in a line Tory-novelty-act-buffoons, a second rate Boris Johnson. Edited September 14, 2017 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 32 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Rees-Mogg is another in a line Tory-novelty-act-buffoons, a second rate Boris Johnson. Or is Boris Johnson a second rate Mogg ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted September 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2017 Quote He (Rees Mogg) told LBC radio the only reason for the rise in their use was "that people know that they are there". Rees Mogg is a nasty shit of a tory with money, privilege and power, and he's laughing at the poor with his 'clever' pronouncements. Tomorrow he'll be enjoying the rise in donations to air ambulance charities that happen when children die in car crashes. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Quote Almost 80% of people on disability benefits 'have seen health worsen since introduction of Tories' new system' Research from Disability Benefits Consortium says the PIP system is leaving most people worse off. A quarter of respondents said they struggled to get to appointments after their funding was cut. A major survey by more than 80 organisations reported that 79 per cent of respondents said their assessments for personal independence payment (PIP) had made their health worse, due to stress or anxiety. More than a third of those who have had their funding cut in the middle of a benefits shake-up said they were struggling to pay for food, rent and bills, while 40 per cent said they had become more isolated. A small number even said the PIP assessment process was so stressful it was causing them to have suicidal thoughts. The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) said PIP was “a better benefit” than the old system, and more people received higher levels of support. But members of the Disability Benefits Consortium (DBC) warned their findings from a survey of more than 1,700 people showed that PIP is failing “from start to finish”. Independent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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magnkarl Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Mogg is some sort of circus act, that's for sure. If the Tory leadership battle will be between Boris and Mogg we can at least expect it to be funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Quote Police Union Accuses Theresa May Of Telling A ‘Downright Lie’ About Pay Rise Theresa May has been accused by the Police Federation of telling a “downright lie” in the House of Commons after she said police officers have received a 32% real terms pay increase. And Jeremy Corbyn said May’s claim revealed “just how divorced the prime minister and her government are from reality”. Yesterday the government announced it would be scrapping the 1% cap on public sector pay that has been in place since 2010. The Cabinet also agreed a 1.7% pay hike for prison officers and improvements totalling 2% in police pay for 2017/18. Speaking during prime minister’s questions today, May said: “A calculation suggests a new police officer in 2010, thanks to progression pay and annual basic salary increases, an increase the personal allowance which is a tax cut for people, has actually seen an increase in their pay of £9,000 since 2010 - a real terms increase of 32%.” But Calum Macleod, the vice chair of the Police Federation, which represents 120,000 rank and file officers, told HuffPost UK the prime minister was wrong. “The government stating that police officers have had a 32% pay rise since 2010 is a joke – and is in fact a downright lie,” he said. “It shows they have lost touch with reality, if they ever had it, and are clueless as to the demands and dangers officers have to face on a daily basis to keep communities safe. Officers are struggling to keep their heads above water and all we are asking for is fair recognition. “When comparing total pay in 2015/2016 to what it was in 2009/2010 it has increased in nominal terms by +2%, but decreased by -16% in real terms. This cannot be right. “We expect police officers to run in to the face of danger every day to protect the public however the Government refuses to give them the money they deserve. “This has to be addressed and the government has to be held to account. How can they abide by their independent pay bodies which recommended an 11% pay rise for MPs but fail to abide by ours, which recommended a 2% consolidated). This smacks of double standards.” A No.10 spokesman said of May’s comment during PMQs: “This is an example of a typical police officer. It’s an illustrative example". “There are some people at the top of their band, it would be a minority, and for those who have hit the top of their pay band, progression pay, [the 32% figure] wouldn’t necessarily apply.” Asked why police were getting extra pay this year if they had already got a 32% rise, the spokesman replied: “The PM has said on any number of occasions how much she values the contribution of public sector workers. She thinks they do an extraordinary job and they do do an extraordinary job in what are often testing times.” Put to the spokesman that the PM refused to guarantee jobs wouldn’t be lost to pay for the wage hikes, he said: “Affordability was a factor which the pay review bodies took into account when they were making their recommendations. The Home Office pointed out that police forces have reserves currently of £1.8bn, which is an increase from £1.4bn.” Corbyn said: “For Theresa May to claim police officers have enjoyed bumper pay rises under the Tories shows just how divorced the prime minister and her government are from reality and from the lives of our hard-working public service workers. “In the last few days the government’s position on the public sector pay cap has changed so many times it is hard to keep up and impossible to trust a word the Conservatives say on the issue. “Labour totally rejects the Tories’ attempt to divide and rule public sector workers and a Labour government would end the pay cap for all workers and give them all the pay rises they desperately need and deserve.” HuffPost UK revealed yesterday that May had decided to ditch the pay cap after coming under pressure from the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP). Huffpost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 On 9/15/2017 at 08:47, magnkarl said: Mogg is some sort of circus act, that's for sure. If the Tory leadership battle will be between Boris and Mogg we can at least expect it to be funny. There is absolutely nothing funny about them or their party. They're **** words removed who are ruining the country and laughing at the poor. **** them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 I see Boris Johnson has put his 10 point plan for making Brexit a success in the Daily telegraph. Point 7 of his 10 point plan for making Brexit a success: Quote 'Brexit will be a success' Well that's that sorted then. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Wouldn't that make more sense as point 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 25 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Wouldn't that make more sense as point 10? yeah, point 10 to make Brexit a success: 'accelerate gene therapy research' point 8, and I'll quote the quote direct from the Telegraph: Quote (8) Foreigners could be prevented from buying homes in Britain “It is often pointed out that the price of housing in certain parts of London may be increased by buyers from overseas. But there is no point in putting any kind of tax on foreign buyers, because the inhabitants of 27 other countries cannot legally be treated as foreign.” absolutely no illegal substances were taken during the compilation of that list 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 2 hours ago, chrisp65 said: I see Boris Johnson has put his 10 point plan for making Brexit a success in the Daily telegraph. Looks more like a 10 pint plan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 16, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2017 Boris' big article today, in case anyone wondered, is absolute pants on head tripe that pretty much ties itself in knots with it's lack of logic, and anyone praising it either has severe reading comprehension issues or needs the tight coat that does up at the back stat. It's also riddled with the worst waffling nationalist rhetoric I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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