tonyh29 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Chindie said: Question Time is car crash TV. I've not watched it for at least a year at this point, I found the urge to shout and throw things at the TV too difficult to resist and I can't afford to buy a new one. It does reveal just how ignorant the UK is though. I agree with your first sentence I think your second sentence is wrong , but is kinda typical of the disdain some of the posters on here appear to have of people born in this country .... yesterday QT had a shouty man , I couldn't quite hear what he was shouting all the time but I don't think it was the rambling of a totally ignorant man despite appearances .... he had done some homework and he had a point to make .. the Woman whose bio said she was a comedian but failed to make anyone laugh , of course adopted the moral guardian reader high ground , rather than engaging ..who knows maybe she was right not to engage and just write him off .. but equally she shouldn't be surprised when people dismissed and denied a voice then turn towards the extreme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 29, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: I agree with your first sentence I think your second sentence is wrong , but is kinda typical of the disdain some of the posters on here appear to have of people born in this country .... yesterday QT had a shouty man , I couldn't quite hear what he was shouting all the time but I don't think it was the rambling of a totally ignorant man despite appearances .... he had done some homework and he had a point to make .. the Woman whose bio said she was a comedian but failed to make anyone laugh , of course adopted the moral guardian reader high ground , rather than engaging ..who knows maybe she was right not to engage and just write him off .. but equally she shouldn't be surprised when people dismissed and denied a voice then turn towards the extreme What about my third sentence? I have disdain for ignorant people regardless of where they're born. Most of the QT audience is always right on walking tabloid front pages peppered with typical lefties and students. I can't say I much like either but at least the lefties and students normally have a slightly more progressive or nuanced outlook. I told a lie about not seeing QT in a while, I caught the election special. With the gammon faced numpties demanding nukes be used. It's hard not too have disdain. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 2 hours ago, tonyh29 said: I agree with your first sentence I think your second sentence is wrong , but is kinda typical of the disdain some of the posters on here appear to have of people born in this country .... yesterday QT had a shouty man , I couldn't quite hear what he was shouting all the time but I don't think it was the rambling of a totally ignorant man despite appearances .... he had done some homework and he had a point to make .. the Woman whose bio said she was a comedian but failed to make anyone laugh , of course adopted the moral guardian reader high ground , rather than engaging ..who knows maybe she was right not to engage and just write him off .. but equally she shouldn't be surprised when people dismissed and denied a voice then turn towards the extreme I don't like this suggestion to be honest. It's one I've had leveled at me in a much more extreme way by unpleasant Brexiteers. It goes hand in hand with being 'unpatriotic', 'hate Britain' and other such utter nonsense for having an opposing view. In a broader context it's a slippery slope to nationalism in my opinion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Britain is a bit shit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) 42 minutes ago, PompeyVillan said: I don't like this suggestion to be honest. It's one I've had leveled at me in a much more extreme way by unpleasant Brexiteers. It goes hand in hand with being 'unpatriotic', 'hate Britain' and other such utter nonsense for having an opposing view. In a broader context it's a slippery slope to nationalism in my opinion. that's not my intention ..... I'm not suggesting anyone is Ed Milibands father , I was just making an observation .... I was reading the Brexit thread yesterday and the comment was along the lines of I've lost a hard working top bloke from Bulgaria and I'll have to replace him with a lazy dishonest mercenary from the U.k ..another thread spoke about being ashamed to be British because an Iranian Dr got a go home letter (or **** off letter as I believe it was called ) ... distressing and unfortunate for the Dr , but google suggest 100 of these letters went out in error , it's hardly an indictment that Britain wants everyone to wear a yellow star and be shipped out the country. Brexit thread again , it's all the EU are these class negotiators and we are incompetent idiots who cant even tie our shoe laces (ok tbf that might be true with Davis) .. but it's just the contempt because people exercised a right to vote where they wanted , but not where the other person wanted them to vote I'm not asking everyone to wave the Union flag and sing the national anthem before breakfast ... I'm just commenting that there seems to be so much disdain ... differences of opinion are fine , to be commended even .. it was commented about the lack of pro-Brexit responses in that thread , I got the feeling the pro people have been browbeaten and belittled into not being arsed Edited September 29, 2017 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Britain is a bit shit though. it is .. and sure we may view Germany the way a 17 year old girl on holiday views a Spanish waiter and wants to run off and live with him .. but even your idyllic life in Germany ,or wherever else you run off to , is still going to be a bit shit as well Edited September 29, 2017 by tonyh29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 11 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I'm not suggesting anyone is Ed Milibands father Would that not make him the Messiah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 13 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I was reading the Brexit thread yesterday and the comment was along the lines of I've lost a hard working top bloke from Bulgaria and I'll have to replace him with a lazy dishonest mercenary from the U.k ..another thread spoke about being ashamed to be British because an Iranian Dr got a go home letter (or **** off letter as I believe it was called ) ... distressing and unfortunate for the Dr , but google suggest 100 of these letters went out in error , it's hardly an indictment that Britain wants everyone to wear a yellow star and be shipped out the country. Brexit thread again , it's all the EU are these class negotiators and we are incompetent idiots who cant even tie our shoe laces (ok tbf that might be true with Davis) .. but it's just the contempt because people exercised a right to vote where they wanted , but not where the other person wanted them to vote Blimey, if you're going to make a crass generalization then you should at least not mischaracterize some of the examples you use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 37 minutes ago, snowychap said: Would that not make him the Messiah? no .. just a very naughty boy 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: ... the lack of pro-Brexit responses in that thread. I got the feeling the pro people have been browbeaten and belittled into not being arsed. Not because they're becoming conscious that they've been sold a pup by a fascist former banker and a clown? Might as well get used to it. The Remoaning will just get louder as the scale of the bitter fruit harvest becomes apparent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Just now, Xann said: Not because they're becoming conscious that they've been sold a pup by a fascist former banker and a clown? Might as well get used to it. The Remoaning will just get louder as the scale of the bitter fruit harvest becomes apparent. I can't speak for the 52% but I'd be surprised if anyone voted based on what an MP told them ... The Sun or their mate Dave down the pub maybe , but not an MP tbf Cameron almost got me to vote remain, not from the TV shows , but from some other speech he gave ... but an article I read , from an American economist I seem to recall , a week or so before voting day flipped me back to leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chindie Posted September 30, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) 21 hours ago, tonyh29 said: that's not my intention ..... I'm not suggesting anyone is Ed Milibands father , I was just making an observation .... I was reading the Brexit thread yesterday and the comment was along the lines of I've lost a hard working top bloke from Bulgaria and I'll have to replace him with a lazy dishonest mercenary from the U.k ..another thread spoke about being ashamed to be British because an Iranian Dr got a go home letter (or **** off letter as I believe it was called ) ... distressing and unfortunate for the Dr , but google suggest 100 of these letters went out in error , it's hardly an indictment that Britain wants everyone to wear a yellow star and be shipped out the country. Brexit thread again , it's all the EU are these class negotiators and we are incompetent idiots who cant even tie our shoe laces (ok tbf that might be true with Davis) .. but it's just the contempt because people exercised a right to vote where they wanted , but not where the other person wanted them to vote I'm not asking everyone to wave the Union flag and sing the national anthem before breakfast ... I'm just commenting that there seems to be so much disdain ... differences of opinion are fine , to be commended even .. it was commented about the lack of pro-Brexit responses in that thread , I got the feeling the pro people have been browbeaten and belittled into not being arsed This should really go in the EU thread but I don't think you can move quotes easily on mobile... It's not that the EU are 'class negotiators'. That might be in the debate if the situation was a discussion between equals. But it isn't, and that's the point, and has been all along. The EU don't need to be 'class negotiators', because they hold almost every card (to get irritatingly close to the stupid poker metaphor). We hold one of any consequence - we can walk away. But even that is a weak hand, because it's the old gun to your own head thing. We stand to lose far more from no deal than the EU does, because it's 1 versus 27. And not only do they hold the best hand by miles, they control the rules of the game. As for the contempt. What do you expect? It's a decision a great many are fundamentally opposed to, because amongst other reasons the outright damage it will do to the country, and the prospects of the vast majority of its population. For some it's also a nasty indictment of what the country stands for globally, insular, fearful, suspicious of others, a superiority complex... and whatever grim assessment you can make of it. And so on. Couple that to the complete joke of a debate beforehand, with an ignorant public fed nonsense and outright lies and swallowing it unthinkingly, on top of decades of ludicrously hostile press... Is it any surprise there's contempt? Half the country has been tied to a boat headed to a waterfall captained by charlatans and crewed by people who don't know what a waterfall is. Would you sit back, shrug and accept it? Or would you be shouting about how bad an idea this waterfall thing is? And trying to oppose it? And being a little pissed off at your situation? One hoist on you by idiots? Edited September 30, 2017 by Chindie 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 30, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2017 While we're talking waterfalls, can we tie Boris and Farage to a ceremonial boat and push it off Angel Falls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Some woman on the daily politics from the Tories just stated that anything that involves the Government "Helping" people (Help to buy for example) is "Free" for them and the tax payer, as they get the money back over time. So that's how they cost things. I get it now, maybe. It goes straight on the balance sheet she said. Why don't they help more people if it is free ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 She is still on and would take a cyanide pill at this point if she had one. She has no clue what is going on and is being destroyed, they should stop it to be honest. Car crash does not do it justice. I actually feel bad for her, the poor woman. (Liz Trust?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: She is still on and would take a cyanide pill at this point if she had one. She has no clue what is going on and is being destroyed, they should stop it to be honest. Car crash does not do it justice. I actually feel bad for her, the poor woman. (Liz Trust?) Liz Truss, is it? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted October 2, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2017 3 hours ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: Some woman on the daily politics from the Tories just stated that anything that involves the Government "Helping" people (Help to buy for example) is "Free" for them and the tax payer, as they get the money back over time. So that's how they cost things. I get it now, maybe. It goes straight on the balance sheet she said. Why don't they help more people if it is free ? I was building a flat pack coffee table at the time, she was absolutely dreadful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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