gilbertoAVFC Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Christ alive. This thread is an absolute cesspit. Look at yourselves!That was hopelessly predictable and Sherwood made some stupid decisions. If hope any of the people saying "Sherwood out" though never turn up to Villa Park ever again. Just don't come.Everything associated with this club seems to be negative but do you know the most negative aspect of all? The fans. At 1-2 it was so f**king predictable we were going to lose largely due to tactical decisions, but Villa fans went completely silent and this thread was in meltdown already.We have a losing mentality at this club and until it changes, we will never improve. I cannot fathom the amount of negativity I have seen on here despite us being in the lead. It rubs off on the players, they know that as soon as they are under it a bit, they're getting f**k all support from the fans.We've had five managers since O'Neill. All failed. What is the constant? Negative fans and a board with no experience in football. Recipe for disaster. Thats bollox mate.Today we lost the game because at 2-0 we took off the right man (Gil was knackered), and brought on the wrong man - Ayew.It should have been Clark, Veretout or Richardson and we should have suffocated the midfield and stopped the supply to Mahrez.Did I say anything different? The in game aspect of the fans is tiny, but the reaction is ridiculous.The players won't be reading this so the reaction of the fans has no influence on the game whatsoever!! Anyway, back on topic, we were so shit in that second half.....Ah yeah cos they'll be completely unaffected by the crowd grumbling at misplaced passes after half an hour next time we go 0-1 down at home. It's a mentality thing. Compare it to Dortmund/Palace/whoeverDid that happen against Sunderland, Notts County or even Arsenal in the final? Didn't Tim say the other day how the crowd was great after we went behind or am I imagining it? Look, I agree that the fans at VP (especially in the sides) could do more to support and back the team vocally and we should, but I really don't think the players in this team have received much negativity from fans - quite the opposite. By next Saturday people will be more reflective and will completely back the team again - everyone is naturally pissed off atm and I don't think hurts anyone to vent a bit. Notts County I wasn't there but it was a cup match that no-one really cares about. Sunderland we were playing well! Sometimes supporting the side when their down though helps create that too. Definitely happened against Arsenal. Half-time was a morgue. FA Cup final, 1-0 down, everyone crying. Someone punched me because he was saying Grealish was absolutely useless and I said he was a teenager and is playing against World Cup winners.That's just crap. A match that no-one really cares about, really? I was there when we went 1-0 down at Sunderland and the support was good and positive. In the FA cup final I went to the fans were amazing and very vocal even when all was lost. I am sorry someone punched you!Christ alive. This thread is an absolute cesspit. Look at yourselves!That was hopelessly predictable and Sherwood made some stupid decisions. If hope any of the people saying "Sherwood out" though never turn up to Villa Park ever again. Just don't come.Everything associated with this club seems to be negative but do you know the most negative aspect of all? The fans. At 1-2 it was so f**king predictable we were going to lose largely due to tactical decisions, but Villa fans went completely silent and this thread was in meltdown already.We have a losing mentality at this club and until it changes, we will never improve. I cannot fathom the amount of negativity I have seen on here despite us being in the lead. It rubs off on the players, they know that as soon as they are under it a bit, they're getting f**k all support from the fans.We've had five managers since O'Neill. All failed. What is the constant? Negative fans and a board with no experience in football. Recipe for disaster. Thats bollox mate.Today we lost the game because at 2-0 we took off the right man (Gil was knackered), and brought on the wrong man - Ayew.It should have been Clark, Veretout or Richardson and we should have suffocated the midfield and stopped the supply to Mahrez.Did I say anything different? The in game aspect of the fans is tiny, but the reaction is ridiculous.The players won't be reading this so the reaction of the fans has no influence on the game whatsoever!! Anyway, back on topic, we were so shit in that second half.....Ah yeah cos they'll be completely unaffected by the crowd grumbling at misplaced passes after half an hour next time we go 0-1 down at home. It's a mentality thing. Compare it to Dortmund/Palace/whoeverDid that happen against Sunderland, Notts County or even Arsenal in the final? Didn't Tim say the other day how the crowd was great after we went behind or am I imagining it? Look, I agree that the fans at VP (especially in the sides) could do more to support and back the team vocally and we should, but I really don't think the players in this team have received much negativity from fans - quite the opposite. By next Saturday people will be more reflective and will completely back the team again - everyone is naturally pissed off atm and I don't think hurts anyone to vent a bit. Notts County I wasn't there but it was a cup match that no-one really cares about. Sunderland we were playing well! Sometimes supporting the side when their down though helps create that too. Definitely happened against Arsenal. Half-time was a morgue. FA Cup final, 1-0 down, everyone crying. Someone punched me because he was saying Grealish was absolutely useless and I said he was a teenager and is playing against World Cup winners.That's just crap. A match that no-one really cares about, really? I was there when we went 1-0 down at Sunderland and the support was good and positive. In the FA cup final I went to the fans were amazing and very vocal even when all was lost. I am sorry someone punched you!Mate Villa fans were awful against Arsenal as soon as we conceded. Amazing atmosphere before (at least as best as you can get in Wembley anyway). Maybe I'm biased because of the muppets I was surrounded by. People fighting with each other. All just very embarrassing. Obviously different sections/opinions so agree to disagree. Just want people to calm down. Especially given how big the next two games are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted September 13, 2015 Moderator Share Posted September 13, 2015 Not seen the game but in Tim's interview I gather it was the usual moronic keep handing the ball to the opposition even though we are in the lead, rather than making them work hard to win it back, even if that means playing sideways and backwards. Haven't had players or a team that can adjust tactics during a match for years. Love Gabby but he has to be dropped."Not seen the game" - "love Gabby but he has to be dropped" - that is quite something.He did pretty well today - an assist for the second and we were 2-0 up when he went off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Aside from setting up the 2nd goal what the hell did gabby do? He is a total waste of space. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieVillan Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 If there is a positive, its that the first half the link up play between Gil and Grealish was fantastic. We finally have some proper footballers, and at times they looked a different class to everything else on the pitch, exemplified by their goals. But both tired in the second half.If we can get these 2 playing with Traore, we will certainly score plenty of goals from midfield. Which is useful, because I don't see out strikers scoring many. But you've got to have a balance. A team with Gil, Grealish and Traore in midfield would probably get completely overrun. I'm not sure. Sinclair had one of his off games today. If you put Traore into the the team in place of him (or Gabby), I don't think we lose anything from the first half performance.Second half - you guess is as good as mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Even at 2-0, did anyone genuinely believe we wouldn't lose? Blaming the fans for us losing every 50-50 ball is bollocks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I hope Bacuna is dropped soon, he is a woeful liability of a footballer. Sanchez looked like he was playing for Leicester at times, no leader in the midfield at all.Instead we have given him a new contract! Yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Christ alive. This thread is an absolute cesspit. Look at yourselves!That was hopelessly predictable and Sherwood made some stupid decisions. If hope any of the people saying "Sherwood out" though never turn up to Villa Park ever again. Just don't come.Everything associated with this club seems to be negative but do you know the most negative aspect of all? The fans. At 1-2 it was so f**king predictable we were going to lose largely due to tactical decisions, but Villa fans went completely silent and this thread was in meltdown already.We have a losing mentality at this club and until it changes, we will never improve. I cannot fathom the amount of negativity I have seen on here despite us being in the lead. It rubs off on the players, they know that as soon as they are under it a bit, they're getting f**k all support from the fans.We've had five managers since O'Neill. All failed. What is the constant? Negative fans and a board with no experience in football. Recipe for disaster. Did you just blame the fans for that shambles? Really? You said that it was so predictable we would lose at 2-1 and yet still you say the fans were the most negative aspect. Go and have a quiet word with yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Abysmal !!!! And why when I come on here am I seeing an advert for The Chelsea superstore !?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arj Guy Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) To the person who blamed the defeat on our fans being shit. Edited September 13, 2015 by Arj Guy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I would be reluctant to blame any individual player for the collapse, after c60 minutes but more inclined to blame them collectively for their poor performance in 50 50's ( headers & tackles)Leicester showed more character and more will to win which was aided and abetted by us.For me, we seem to be our own worst enemies.Leicester, have been the form team of the division for some time now and have executed their high tempo game against some good sides and have come out on top.....They are a good team, if you let them be....Remember the famous Shankly words " you win the right to play football" They just allowed us to play.We could not have started any better and with 2 superbly executed goals on top of a total domination of possession I'm not sure what more confidence booster we could get.....Their High tempo in your face style was negated by us and they stood off.I'm not sure what the turn around was....Dyer coming on for Inler, Gil going off for Ayew or a poor attempt of a wing pass from Sinclair when he was through....its anyones call.What I did notice was they started winning all the scraps, we were getting more tired and could not avoid the physical endeavours like we did in the first half.....Thats when Mahrez and Dyer came in to their own....Sclupp was becoming more dominant and the bits and pieces were being fed in their direction..... as we gradually lost the midfield their 2 were now outshining our 2 Grealish and Gil ( who was now off) and Grealish just ran out of steam.I'm not sure what happens nextI do think we have a big problem with the defensive side of our game.....and I'm not necessarily talking about the defenders.....I think we have big defensive problems up front and in midfield i.e winning 50 50's, keeping the ball under pressure, winning headers all the stuff that involves close bodily contact.In summary I thought we were being outfought just before their fight back, their confidence grew ours drained and then they imposed THEIR game on us..... we have to show that we are more than a 60 minute team and that the game is for 90 odd minutes.I don't know how you fix this, but I think we could do with a mean and nasty individual in midfield who allows a platform for our expansive lads.......but hey that was so poor mainly due to its predictability after their first goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Just feel so miserable about this result I can't really think or talk about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbr600rr Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 villa is like the football version of the hangover film!! guzan AGAIN messes up for goal number 3theirs to many players who must have the wrong mentality for winning a game, we all know who they are but my worry is can the manager make them better?lets spin the table for a min... if leicester were two nil up ..would villa produce a come back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReasonforRevolution Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Classic Villa. Capitulate F.C. The Ayew substitute was very strange. From day one he has struggled with the pace of the English game and looks like he needs time. So why throw him in at such a pivotal and high paced point in the game? If he knew Gil would have to be subbed due to fatigue/injury I can't help but think Joe Cole (not in the squad) would have been an ideal replacement with his experience on the ball to kill the game off a little. As previously mentioned Tim had it right to start and for a period we looked comfortable so to capitulate like that is scandalous. Hopefully lesson learnt. As hard as it might be lets try and get behind Tim and the team for the next few games because they will need it. As a little footnote because I hate to add to the concern. I thought we'd moved on from this old chestnut.[Tim Sherwood] On the upcoming games…"We have to go again. We have two big derbies coming up and we will make sure we are right for them." Edited September 13, 2015 by ReasonforRevolution 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arj Guy Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 villa is like the football version of the hangover film!! guzan AGAIN messes up for goal number 3theirs to many players who must have the wrong mentality for winning a game, we all know who they are but my worry is can the manager make them better?lets spin the table for a min... if leicester were two nil up ..would villa produce a come back? No because our players don't have spirit or fight. Also their manager isn't tactically inept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I hope Tim brings in Illori for Bacuna as I don't think either he or Hutton are good enough.Having Gana and Traore back will be vital. I wish we could drop Guzan, but nothing suggests Bunn is that much better.I think the next few games will probably just confirm us as relegation fodder again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashingqwerty Posted September 13, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted September 13, 2015 Sherwood out.Lerner out.Aston Villa out.Weve become a vile, nothingness of a club. I hope to god when we get relegated this season we dont do a Leeds or Pompey and disappear into obscurity.But WHEN we go do, i fear for the future of the club... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 just got back and im totally pissed off, ive never known a side look so uneasy at being 2 nil up and we do it all the time. thought leicester were the stronger team and had more energy, we didnt play too bad but once their goal went in that was it. all in all a terrible result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Aside from setting up the 2nd goal what the hell did gabby do? He is a total waste of space.More than Guzan, more than bacuna, more than Westwood, more than Sinclair I know that much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Gabby contributes very little and is taking a big wage for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted September 13, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted September 13, 2015 I'm in pain. Physically. This is just going to keep happening, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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