Dr_Pangloss Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) 50 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: So that's players who since last season have left us for Ligue 1, La Liga, the Premier League, the SPL, the Championship leaders and Serie A that are doing a lot better than they did here. Sort of highlights the crap management we had really. It's perhaps not quite as simple as that but not too far off the mark. Firstly Sherwood, Garde and Black were just utter, utter clowns and not fit to be called managers, 'they', especially Sherwood and Garde, played a big part in the poor form shown by these players (by the time Black took the reigns it was a total write off). However I'd also say that the likes of Veretout, Gil and Sinclair are now playing in leagues that suite them in terms of the pace, physical demands and average quality. Veretout never looked fully up to the pace, part of that is down to our shite backroom staff but I feel he seldom looked too comfortable in a league where his work was rushed more than say in France, same applies to Gil. Sinclair is just awful and benefiting from playing at such a low standard, SPL isn't even fully Championship standard IMO. Gana is the one who was really made for this league and is certainly benefiting from better management and better players around him. Edited February 17, 2017 by Dr_Pangloss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: It's perhaps not quite as simple as that but not too far off the mark. Firstly Sherwood, Garde and Black were just utter, utter clowns and not fit to be called managers, 'they', especially Sherwood and Garde, played a big part in the poor form shown by these players (by the time Black took the reigns it was a total write off). However I'd also say that the likes of Veretout, Gil and Sinclair are now playing in leagues that suite them in terms of the pace, physical demands and average quality. Veretout never looked fully up to the pace, part of that is down to our shite backroom staff but I feel he never looked too comfortable in a league when his work was rushed more than say in France, same applies to Gil. Sinclair is just awful and benefiting from playing at such a low standard, SPL isn't even fully Championship standard IMO. Gana is the one who was really made for this league and is certainly benefiting from better management and better players around him. To be fair to Garde between December and the start of February he'd stabilised us a bit and we lost something like 5 out of 13 matches using most of those players and not being allowed to bring any of his own in. Not great but Sherwood and Black completely ignored certain players and won one game and drew two between them I think. I think it's not really a coincidence that so many players have done better elsewhere anyway. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: To be fair to Garde between December and the start of February he'd stabilised us a bit and we lost something like 5 out of 13 matches using most of those players and not being allowed to bring any of his own in. Not great but Sherwood and Black completely ignored certain players and won one game and drew two between them I think. I think it's not really a coincidence that so many players have done better elsewhere anyway. I thought Garde did a shocking job, utterly spineless with shit results. Although as a manager he was/is less shit than Sherwood and perhaps unfair to lump the two together. I rate Garde as a terrible manager, whereas Sherwood I wouldn't call a manager at all, a total **** fraud of the highest imaginable order. Edited February 17, 2017 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: I thought Garde did a shocking job, utterly spineless with shit results. Although as a manager he was/is less shit than Sherwood and perhaps unfair to lump the two together. I rate Garde as a terrible manager, whereas Sherwood I wouldn't call a manager at all, a total **** fraud of the highest imaginable order. I agree from the Liverpool at home debacle on he just gave up, like the whole club seemed to. But after the third round of the FA Cup we won two, drew two and lost one league match during the period we could have signed players, of whom some of his targets went to Sunderland who stayed up. I wonder where we'd be if we got a couple of players in during that January. Still relegated I'm sure but I think we'd be better off and more settled than we are currently. If my auntie had bollocks, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: I thought Garde did a shocking job, utterly spineless with shit results. Although as a manager he was/is less shit than Sherwood and perhaps unfair to lump the two together. I rate Garde as a terrible manager, whereas Sherwood I wouldn't call a manager at all, a total **** fraud of the highest imaginable order. So what in the world does that make Black? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 hour ago, dounavilla said: So what in the world does that make Black? Not a color, never fit to represent ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 http://www.footballinsider247.com/report-tottenham-scouting-championship-23-year-old-reignite-2015-interest/ Quote REPORT: TOTTENHAM EYE MOVE FOR ASTON VILLA FLOP, COULD REIGNITE 2015 INTEREST Tottenham scouts were in attendance on Wednesday night to watch Aston Villa midfielder Jordan Veretout play for St. Etienne, according to a report. French publication Evect claim that the 23-year-old was watched by Spurs during the 1-0 loss to Manchester United, as he went up against Paul Pogba in the middle of the park. The report claims that Tottenham were also interested in Veretout back in 2015, before the midfielder opted to join Midlands outfit Aston Villa from Ligue 1 side Nantes. The Frenchman had a disappointing campaign at Villa Park and was part of a team that got demoted from the Premier League in wretched circumstances. Veretout joined St Etienne on a season-long loan last summer and it remains to be seen whether he will return to his parent club at the end of the campaign. Villa manager Steve Bruce brought in three central midfielders in January in Conor Hourihane, Birkir Bjarnason and Henri Lansbury, with Veretout seemingly not in his plans. That could mean Spurs will look to swoop for the France Under-21’s international, as he continues to shine in his home country. During his 31 league and cup appearances, the midfielder has had a hand in six goals as well as helping St. Etienne keep 13 clean sheets. Scoring three goals, Veretout has also laid on another three strikes in assists, and that form could tempt Mauricio Pochettino into offering him a second crack at the Premier League. Football Insider verdict: Tottenham could do with another addition in the middle of the park, with Eric Dier reverting to the heart of defence instead of playing in last season’s holding midfield role. That leaves just Mousa Dembele, Victor Wanyama and academy product Harry Winks as Pochettino’s midfield options, and could see the Argentine boss enter the summer market for depth. However, a move for Veretout should be forgotten after the Frenchman’s dismal form in the Premier League contributed to Villa’s downfall during the 2015-16 season, as they earned only 17 top-flight points. Although in form, it seems Veretout can only produce his best form in his home country. Pochettino should see Veretout as a last resort, and give the market a good looking over before moving for St. Etienne’s number 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViewFromT2 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 He's a good player and in the right environment he will prove it. Completely mis-managed last season (as they all were)....but even then you could see he is a player, great passer of the ball, great vision. Personally hope we keep him next season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted February 24, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 24, 2017 I don't understand why we don't bring him back and play him? The amount of players we loan out who could do a job for us is shocking. This club is so mismanaged. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 So who is Spurs currently most injury prone reserve player? Guessing we'll offer a straight swap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 If it's spurs just add extra an 10m as they do with other teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 1 hour ago, ViewFromT2 said: He's a good player and in the right environment he will prove it. Completely mis-managed last season (as they all were)... As they all continue to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Our midfield from last season was Sanchez, Veretout, and Gueye. All three have gone on to do very well for their new clubs. Says a lot about us. Those three are a good midfield, but we were so badly managed when they were with us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, Czechlad said: Our midfield from last season was Sanchez, Veretout, and Gueye. All three have gone on to do very well for their new clubs. Says a lot about us. Those three are a good midfield, but we were so badly managed when they were with us. You might also mention that they aren't playing with each other this season - maybe they just didn't click or maybe their attributes didn't complement each other suitably. Gueye always looked good to me, Veretout has moved back to a league he knows and has shone in before and Sanchez has moved to a slower league, which suits him better too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessiWillSignForVilla Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, PieFacE said: I don't understand why we don't bring him back and play him? The amount of players we loan out who could do a job for us is shocking. This club is so mismanaged. Because loan deals often include a fee, whether that be for the loan or an optional signing fee, when that's the case often clubs will agree to eliminate the ability for recalling as to not jeopardise that fee, if a club insists on including a recall option, the loaning club will forgo paying a fee. It's only really with youth players who are loaned out to gain experience that can be recalled, as there less likely to include bigger fees, I imagine that St. Etienne gave us £1m or so to loan Veretout, hence we can't recall. Edit: In fact, here's a line from a Bham Mail piece about Bruce monitoring our loanees for next season, "Bruce was unable to recall either player in January as part of the arrangements made prior to his October arrival." Edited February 24, 2017 by MessiWillSignForVilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, lexicon said: You might also mention that they aren't playing with each other this season - maybe they just didn't click or maybe their attributes didn't complement each other suitably. Gueye always looked good to me, Veretout has moved back to a league he knows and has shone in before and Sanchez has moved to a slower league, which suits him better too. Very true. Sad thing is, I don't think we ever tried those three in midfield. Typically it was Westwood, Sanchez, Gueye, Bacuna, and even Richardson. Sadly Veretout was always pushed out wing as a winger for some reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 God knows - sounds like a faff to check too. Theoretically it could work. Sanchez holding, Gueye running around with his perpetual motion engine stamina and Veretout doing the pretty stuff. Factor in two good wing-forwards and a target man and why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Difference is all three have come in to stable midfields. With us they were all new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted March 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, DoubtGin said: :> I've been ignoring his calls all morning, I'm quite happy where I am thanks. 28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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