markavfc40 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 17 hours ago, blandy said: The Greens are proposing pretty much this today by saying the centre left parties avoid competing against each other in certain seats to defeat the Tories. It makes sense but I don’t see Labour or the Lib Dems being willing to make any formal pact. I think in the age we live in now though it is certainly much easier to promote tactical voting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 12 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: I think in the age we live in now though it is certainly much easier to promote tactical voting. I think you are correct but getting people to actually be bothered to vote and get out of bed in some cases needs tactics itself, otherwise it will fail. I suspect if everyone of age voted the political outlook in the UK would be very different but they don't and won't which is a shame. On the other hand they are all experts at day time TV so it's not all bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: The Greens are proposing pretty much this today by saying the centre left parties avoid competing against each other in certain seats to defeat the Tories. It makes sense but I don’t see Labour or the Lib Dems being willing to make any formal pact. I think in the age we live in now though it is certainly much easier to promote tactical voting. Do you see Labour a party trying to oust their leader left leaning leader and replace him with (presumably) another Blair to get re-elected as Centre left ? the old political compass thing , puts Labour more centre right than left and polls apart from the Greens .. I could see how a Labour voter might switch to UKIP or Lib Dems , but how can a Green voter with any level of intelligence switch their vote to Labour in the name of anyone but Tory ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Do you see Labour a party trying to oust their leader left leaning leader and replace him with (presumably) another Blair to get re-elected as Centre left ? the old political compass thing , puts Labour more centre right than left and polls apart from the Greens .. I could see how a Labour voter might switch to UKIP or Lib Dems , but how can a Green voter with any level of intelligence switch their vote to Labour in the name of anyone but Tory ? Depends how much credibility you give that political compass. Personally I see a Corbyn led Labour party as being left of centre and a million miles away from UKIP. That of course isn’t to say that people who have voted Labour in the past haven’t recently voted for UKIP. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: Depends how much credibility you give that political compass. Personally I see a Corbyn led Labour party as being left of centre and a million miles away from UKIP. That of course isn’t to say that people who have voted Labour in the past haven’t recently voted for UKIP. true enough ..I seem to recall when we've done it on VT nearly every one is in that green square area .. even myself although the more left leaning people from here were waaaaaaay way further over to the left of the green chart than me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 19, 2017 Moderator Share Posted April 19, 2017 3 hours ago, tonyh29 said: what if it meant voting UKIP , seeing as they came second in many constituencies ? are you advocating a vote for UKIP in the name of stopping the Tories , cause end of the day Labour / Tory same shit different colour tie ... but UKIP , heck I'd be applying for a French passport and moving there The UKIPs and the tories are currently pretty much interchangeable - even the MPs seem to switch between them,to and fro - so no. But they'll disappear up their own fundaments anyway, the UKIPs. Bunch of absolute clagnuts, the lot of 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I'm one square in from the bottom and one square in from the left and I consider myself pretty close to the Greens and Corbyn's Labour. I consider Blair style Labour to be more like where plotted on that chart. I can see Green and Labour being pretty easy bedfellows but Lib Dem would be a harder sell. It should happen though. It's the best chance we've got. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted April 19, 2017 Moderator Share Posted April 19, 2017 Gideon has quit as MP for Tatton to focus on his new role as Editor of a national newspaper. Presumably he'd realised he'll have far more influence from that office than he ever had as Chancellor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 5 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: I don't want 'a united Britain', I don't know what it would look like and I can't see the point of pretending that nearly 70 million people could all have the same interests when they clearly don't. Politics isn't about reaching the one right answer. Alienating 48% of it isn't uniting the country anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 1 hour ago, NurembergVillan said: Gideon has quit as MP for Tatton to focus on his new role as Editor of a national newspaper. Presumably he'd realised he'll have far more influence from that office than he ever had as Chancellor. It barely matters in London. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted April 19, 2017 Moderator Share Posted April 19, 2017 True. I'd got my wires crossed and thought he was editing the Metro when I posted that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 29 minutes ago, a m ole said: Alienating 48% of it isn't uniting the country anyway. it wasn't 48% of the country .. it was 48% of the people that voted ... in remains case 16,141,241 million so more like 25% of the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: it wasn't 48% of the country .. it was 48% of the people that voted ... in remains case 16,141,241 million so more like 25% of the country By your logic then, far fewer than the majority voted for Brexit then right? Less, 'will of the people' and more 'will of some of the people'. Theresa, call it off. Tony, your staunchest of staunch fans, said so! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 @tonyh29 This might be a silly question but I've seen you post before that you put yourself in the bottom left of that graph. If that is the case why do you vote for the political party the furthest away from what you believe in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 48 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: True. I'd got my wires crossed and thought he was editing the Metro when I posted that! I'm not sure that anybody actually edits The Metro. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 29 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: By your logic then, far fewer than the majority voted for Brexit then right? Less, 'will of the people' and more 'will of some of the people'. Theresa, call it off. Tony, your staunchest of staunch fans, said so! can you point to a post I've made where I've expressed any support for May ? bet you can't 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) 36 minutes ago, villaglint said: @tonyh29 This might be a silly question but I've seen you post before that you put yourself in the bottom left of that graph. If that is the case why do you vote for the political party the furthest away from what you believe in? I voted Tory once and lib Dem once ... so arguably I'm as much a woolly Lib as a Tory ... tbh despite widely held beliefs that I'm a die hard Tory I'm sorta against all the parties , I just happen to be more against Labour and the Greens policy wise ... I do hold a view that Thatcher was this countries greatest leader after Churchill though , which probably explains a lot ... I think though to answer your question the questions in the political compass are skewed in such a way that unless you are Genghis Khan you will always fall in the green section ... I was somewhere around Plaid Cyrmu the fact that some of the other posters who completed it came almost at the bottom left sorta confirms that even in our little green square I'm right of some who are very far left Edited April 19, 2017 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: can you point to a post I've made where I've expressed any support for May ? bet you can't Oh Tony. I must have dropped my somewhere. Considering your love for all things tongue-in-cheek, I'm surprised you missed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Just now, StefanAVFC said: Oh Tony. I must have dropped my somewhere. Considering your love for all things tongue-in-cheek, I'm surprised you missed that. to quote someone earlier 4 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: Nice try though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 5 hours ago, tonyh29 said: Do you see Labour a party trying to oust their leader left leaning leader and replace him with (presumably) another Blair to get re-elected as Centre left ? the old political compass thing , puts Labour more centre right than left and polls apart from the Greens .. I could see how a Labour voter might switch to UKIP or Lib Dems , but how can a Green voter with any level of intelligence switch their vote to Labour in the name of anyone but Tory ? This really is compelling evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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