dAVe80 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 7 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: It's a nice idea. All we've got to do now is stop Labour in Wales teaming up with UKIP to stop Plaid local council policies being implemented. Oh, and persuade the SNP this was just light hearted trolling: It would take next to nothing for me to vote Labour. Picking fights with Plaid and the SNP strikes me as a bit small time pathetic when a tory government is currently going unopposed. This annoys me too. Labour should realise that it's never going to get into government, while Scotland remains SNP. I recall during the last election campaign, when Leanne Wood, basically told Millaband that if he agreed to give his word to work with the SNP, Plaid, and the Greens, they'd be happy to form an alliance. He totally refused, and ended up losing Scotland. I think it would be in the best interest of everyone if they could form some sort of alliance (not at every level obviously, as there are differences that just couldn't be rectified), to really take the Tories on every front. Plus I'd love to have the input of someone like Mhairi Black in the opposition, she's wasted in the SNP. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 hour ago, darrenm said: I agree. He's part of the old guard and none of the momentum lot can identify with him. I don't think that's true to be fair. John McDonnell is certainly liked, and well supported by most of the Momentum member I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 2 hours ago, darrenm said: Yes, and a Stoke by election. I wouldn't be surprised if the new team of strategists that came in just before Labour's position on brexit was made clear identified Stoke as so key that it had to be won and supporting 'the will of the people' was the only way to stop support being lost to ukip which would have been impossible to recover from. If that were true - and I don't for a minute think it is - that would be absolutely despicable. I'm surprised that I seem to hold him in higher regard than you do! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: If that were true - and I don't for a minute think it is - that would be absolutely despicable. I'm surprised that I seem to hold him in higher regard than you do! I thought Tories out at all costs was de rigeur round here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, darrenm said: I thought Tories out at all costs was de rigeur round here? No, opposing Tories is de rigeur. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 31 minutes ago, dAVe80 said: This annoys me too. Labour should realise that it's never going to get into government, while Scotland remains SNP. I recall during the last election campaign, when Leanne Wood, basically told Millaband that if he agreed to give his word to work with the SNP, Plaid, and the Greens, they'd be happy to form an alliance. He totally refused, and ended up losing Scotland. I think it would be in the best interest of everyone if they could form some sort of alliance (not at every level obviously, as there are differences that just couldn't be rectified), to really take the Tories on every front. Plus I'd love to have the input of someone like Mhairi Black in the opposition, she's wasted in the SNP. This is historical amnesia. What was the single most successful attack line for the Tories at the 2015 election? Oh yeah, this one: Voters in England would punish Labour endlessly for being held on life support by Plaid and the SNP. Plus there's the small matter of Labour and the nats being fundamentally opposed on masses of issues. They aren't different versions of the same philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) 31 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: This is historical amnesia. What was the single most successful attack line for the Tories at the 2015 election? Oh yeah, this one: Voters in England would punish Labour endlessly for being held on life support by Plaid and the SNP. Plus there's the small matter of Labour and the nats being fundamentally opposed on masses of issues. They aren't different versions of the same philosophy. Never seen that before, so I have no idea how successful that poster was or wasn't for the Tories. As for the English public punishing Labour, didn't they do that anyway? I eluded to the fact that there's no way they could agree on everything, but there are a lot of big issues (especially opposing the Tories) where cooperation would benefit all involved. Edited February 27, 2017 by dAVe80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 15 minutes ago, dAVe80 said: Never seen that before, so I have no idea how successful that poster was or wasn't for the Tories. As for the English public punishing Labour, didn't they do that anyway? I eluded to the fact that there's no way they could agree on everything, but there are a lot of big issues (especially opposing the Tories) where cooperation would benefit all involved. a] It wasn't so much the poster as the attack line that inspired it which was so successful b] Yes, partly because they were seen as in hock to the SNP. Ergo it's not a good idea to keep making that mistake c] They already co-operate a lot in opposing the Tories. However, they are different parties with different ethics, and they couldn't and shouldn't form a 'rainbow coalition'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Yep Labour are definitely the baddies there ^ Definitely not those loveable rogues the Tories, they can't help starving the poor. Shouldn't that be in the Tory thread anyway as it's not really anything to do with Labour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 28, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 28, 2017 9 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: That's an odd way to implement "the fight starts now", by once again supporting the tories. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Just seems to me that Jez and maccy D actually are all in favour of a good hard Brexit. They are letting their party, their members and their voters down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 I'm disappointed with Labours Brexit position. They've let the ridiculous "Will of the people" and following on from that "Enemies of the people rhetoric" win. Bearing in mind 48% of the electorate didn't want Brexit. If the government were to ask us, I'd suggest that the 48% that voted remain and a significant proportion of the 52% that voted leave would oppose a hard Brexit. Balls to it, it's the will of UKIP and Conservative party back benchers in my opinion. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post markavfc40 Posted February 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2017 1 hour ago, darrenm said: Yep Labour are definitely the baddies there ^ Definitely not those loveable rogues the Tories, they can't help starving the poor. I think there is a wider point here mate that whilst the Tories have gotten away with murder and some despicable acts the last few years Labour have been complicit in much of it as they haven’t provided a strong opposition. Their opposition to a hard Brexit is just another example of that. I don’t know what they are afraid of. I’d have expected the likes of Corbyn and McDonnell to be quite militant but they have been more like pussycats. They have had so many open goals that they haven’t even had a shot at never mind missed the target. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 They've misjudged that one in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 34 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: I think there is a wider point here mate that whilst the Tories have gotten away with murder and some despicable acts the last few years Labour have been complicit in much of it as they haven’t provided a strong opposition. Their opposition to a hard Brexit is just another example of that. I don’t know what they are afraid of. I’d have expected the likes of Corbyn and McDonnell to be quite militant but they have been more like pussycats. They have had so many open goals that they haven’t even had a shot at never mind missed the target. I know. And I agree. I'd just like to see some people go after the Tories in the same way they go after Labour for not opposing the Tories. They seem to get a free ride because they're expected to be like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 28, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 28, 2017 56 minutes ago, darrenm said: I'd just like to see some people go after the Tories in the same way they go after Labour for not opposing the Tories. They seem to get a free ride because they're expected to be like this. WIthin this thread, about the Labour party, you're not going to see that, so much. Within the baby eaters thread, obviously more so. In the wider world, I think there's loads of opposition and criticism of the baby eaters. Also, I don't think despairing at the ineptitude and complicity of Labour and Corbyn is mutually exclusive from despising the baby eaters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 1 hour ago, darrenm said: I'd just like to see some people go after the Tories in the same way they go after Labour you must be new here ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted February 28, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 28, 2017 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: you must be new here ... Tony, don't use the word 'new' in a post regarding Labour.... it won't end well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted February 28, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 28, 2017 1 hour ago, blandy said: WIthin this thread, about the Labour party, you're not going to see that, so much. Within the baby eaters thread, obviously more so. In the wider world, I think there's loads of opposition and criticism of the baby eaters. Also, I don't think despairing at the ineptitude and complicity of Labour and Corbyn is mutually exclusive from despising the baby eaters. I feel this post needed more reference to the child eating preferences of the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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