TRO Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Whether they appoint Tim Sherwood or not....I'm quite staggered at some of the comments. I'm really not sure what to think, but everyone is entitled to their thoughts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StefanAVFC Posted February 13, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2015 Why people against Sherwood? I think he did well at Spurs. Courtesy of another VTer Why No Premier League Club Should Even Consider Hiring Tim Sherwood as Their Manager Raj Bains | February 11, 2015 | 0 Comments Over the past few months, some clubs have been in the heartbreakingly sad situation of considering Tim Sherwood as a candidate to take over as their manager. Nothing quite defines desperation like being in a position where that man has somehow become a viable option to take your side forward. Time after time, however, Sherwood has been overlooked at the final moment, and a series of clubs have avoided making a horrific mistake. Yet, through his own brand of self-aggrandisement and increasing number of mutually beneficial pals in the press, the cult of Sherwood doesn’t seem to be going away any time soon—yet more proof that there isn’t a God. Tim Sherwood is the personification of autofellatio. He is consistently dishonest, he is unimaginably unlikeable, he is perversely self-obsessed and spectacularly arrogant to boot. At the time of writing, it still isn’t completely clear or not whether he’s actually in possession of the full compliment of coaching badges required to become a Premier League manager, but it’s not like that’s stopped him before. The fact of the matter is this: Tim Sherwood is not the sort of person a professional institution of any nature should want to be associated with. His only job in management at Tottenham is a perfect example of exactly why Sherwood should seem completely unemployable by all those unfortunate enough to be mentioned in the same breath as he is. The journey he took to the role of manager was less about hard work, suitability and having actually earned the position, but more about manipulation, gross misconduct and disloyalty. He was confirmed to be the source behind several tabloid attacks on then manager Andre Villas-Boas, and was feeding hyperbole-laden negative accounts of behind-the-scenes life at Tottenham to the likes of TalkSport, who were of course more than happy to help peddle and promote his agenda ridden rhetoric. After the dust had settled on both Villas-Boas and Sherwood at Tottenham, the now-Zenit manager was asked about his relationship in his former role with the man who replaced him, and didn’t mix his words when replying: “Tim was not part of my team, but I already alerted the president that he was detrimental to the club. (Sherwood) continued after I left and his leadership resulted in a extreme split between the players and the coach”. In his own words, Villas-Boas highlights that he felt so strongly against Sherwood being involved at any level in the club he was managing that he proactively warned Daniel Levy about his negative effect on the club. In hindsight, Sherwood was probably one step ahead at that stage, and had already gained the confidence of Levy behind closed doors, which should probably go down as one of the chairman’s biggest errors of judgement in his time at the club. Those who have not had to support a club he’s been in charge of have often mistaken Sherwood’s idiocy for honesty, in a similar fashion to how fans of Nigel Farage are often found describing his unique way of promoting bile. His am-dram level of theatrics in press conferences allowed him a platform to openly interview for every job available in football, and before long, his tenure at Tottenham became more about self-promotion than good management. Propelled by his overconfidence in his own ability and ignorance towards his own self image, Sherwood spoke of himself in Pep Guardiola-like glowing terms, when in reality being little more than an opportunistic charlatan. The man he is most compared to is Harry Redknapp, the man who brought him in under his wing at Tottenham, and the man he may well yet replace at QPR, in a sort of football does Oedipus twist of fate. While their relationship with the press, tactical ineptitude and questionable character statuses are overtly comparable, the link is somewhat unfair on Redknapp, a man who I won’t often be found defending. Redknapp operates with a certain level of self-knowing, charisma and charm that eludes Sherwood, and unlike the former, Sherwood is yet to prove himself in several roles across the football league. In fact, Sherwood has actually been actively turning down Premier League jobs, such is the man’s ego and sense of entitlement. His preference, apparently, is for complete autonomy with a club on all levels, and ideally for that club to be based around London, because god forbid he should have to commute. That’s an awfully long list of demands from a man who might not actually be entirely qualified to take up these positions he’s been routinely applying for. It’s a smack in the face of those managers down the league, who have cut their teeth in the lower leagues with bundles of experience, only for a man with a cabal of press associates and six questionable months at Tottenham under his belt. We haven’t actually seen much of Sherwood managerially in an ideological sense. His time at Tottenham was boom and bust, a result of naivety and the over-simplistic. The football was generic, the tactics were maddeningly transparent and the results were par for the course. In the long term at Tottenham, he’ll be remembered as little more than a glorified caretaker and palette cleanser in between management regimes. His biggest achievement in his time in charge was the immediate introduction of Nabil Bentaleb to first-team football, for which he deserves credit, but that’s one note of success drowned out by a cacophony of various failings. A perfect example of how Sherwood has campaigned himself since the summer came last week. Pictures emerged from a sponsor event, where a panel was assembled to discuss footballing issues of the day, including Sherwood himself, and one Henry Winter, a Telegraph football correspondent. In an almost parody like turn of events in which no party emerges from at all well, within 48 hours of those pictures appearing on the internet, Winter had penned a column eulogising about Sherwood, painting a picture of the perfect managerial revolutionary. This is not a man that any football fan should want anywhere near their football club. Is he likely to win the odd football match and introduce a style of football that, much like a car crash, is watchable in a perverse way? Probably, yeah. But what you’ll also find is increased press access within the club, streams of information leaks and sourceless exclusives across the internet and a growing sense of disillusionment with your club the longer he stays in charge. At some point in the future, Sherwood is going to have to accept a job in football again, rather than “turning them down” at the 11th hour because his “terms and vision” weren’t being adhered to. When that time comes, good luck to the club that falls for it—you’re going to need it. Posting again because I feel like it needs to be. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I don't get the anti Sherwood comments. He isn't proven, but proven managers can fail at new clubs, and unproven ones can succeed. His record at spurs was good. He is a decent coach by all accounts. He has an edge to his character, so did Fergie, Shankly,Saunders, Murinho,and in their own way BigFatRon, Gregory,and Saunders. It can be a good thing, it sometimes is not. He seems to have an ego - see above times 10 ! Some of the names bandied around are so far fetched I cant believe they are serious suggestions. He may not work - I think he will (but I spent two years thinking Lambert would !) but he is by no means a daft or suicidal idea as some are suggesting. At worst we end up going down - and that goes for whoever it is, we have left it late. At best he could be a positive, attacking minded manager who keeps us up and grows into the job, bringing youth through to blend with the best of Lambert's buys. As it happens I always quite liked him from what I saw....not as a mate, but for his unschooled, natural approach to stuff around the games. good post Terry Whats good about it? That a man with 4 months experience was compared to four or five of the greatest managers in footballing history. People are so relieved to have got rid of Lambert they are happy to take anyone as they see it as an improvement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 It won't be Sherwood. It makes sense they would interview him. He is available. He will fail that interview. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Some people seem to have a bizarre notion that just because he's the opposite to Lambert in terms of a personality that he's just what we need, but it doesn't work like that. Keane was meant to to give the players a rocket and look how that turned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Who cares? Imagine what Norwich fans would have written about lambert before he was appointed, and how did that turn out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Norwich were delighted to get Lambert his Colchester had just thrashed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 It won't be Sherwood. It makes sense they would interview him. He is available. He will fail that interview. Our board are incompetent enough that he wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Tim Sherwood a bit of a knob....based on exactly what? Because he threw a jacket, saluted a player and didn't give the lambert "my players were excellent" press conference after every game. good sign him up....some of em need a rocket up their arse Or some good coaching? No? I'm not sure that is true....I think there has been a complete lack of discipline and direction about the place....I'm not denying your point, but i think its a bit more, more like the environment.....Thats why, i think we can get out of this with the right man....I don't particularly like Pulis style of football, but i do like his no nonsense approach and right now, thats what i think we are missing....there is not even any fight in us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Norwich were delighted to get Lambert his Colchester had just thrashed them. I meant before we got him. I bet Norwich fans would have wrote loads of positive reasons why he was a good manager and he turned out to be a disaster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingsombrero Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 There are a few on there I dislike a bit more but taking everything into consideration, for me at least, he is the worst candidate on the bookies list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJT123 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 It won't be Sherwood. It makes sense they would interview him. He is available. He will fail that interview. I would be genuinely shocked if we appoint him. Tom Fox chucking away all of the credibility that he has earned over the past few months. I don't care about how much of a shit position we find ourselves in. We're Aston Villa for goodness sake, we can do so much better. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The_Lions_Roar Posted February 13, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2015 We were recruiting Steve MacLaren until fans protested, the fans sang for lambert and now look what happened. I think some need to calm down. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 It won't be Sherwood. It makes sense they would interview him. He is available. He will fail that interview. I would be genuinely shocked if we appoint him. Tom Fox chucking away all of the credibility that he has earned over the past few months. I don't care about how much of a shit position we find ourselves in. We're Aston Villa for goodness sake, we can do so much better. Can we? Why because we're in the bottom 3 with 13 games left? Because we have no certainty about the future and who will own the club after those 13 games? I think you're living in a dream world if you think decent manager would want to come and work for lerner at this point in the season under these conditions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 It won't be Sherwood. It makes sense they would interview him. He is available. He will fail that interview. Our board are incompetent enough that he wouldn't. What you mean Lerner and faulkner, Probably yes. But Fox, I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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smetrov Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 We were recruiting Steve MacLaren until fans protested, the fans sang for lambert and now look what happened. I think some need to calm down. Yep - also a lot of managers are great at one club - Ron Saunders only did it with Villa, John Gregory looked set to go onto better things. I still don't think it will be Sherwood - I think the real work has been done getting a candidate primed and ready when sherwood asks for daft money - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I can't get my head around why fans are so anti-Sherwood. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Tim Sherwood currently the only manager under consideration by AVFC. No deal yet but could be in place for Stoke game http://t.co/oJz1KbQfRn Sam wallace, chief football correspondent the independant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I can't get my head around why fans are so anti-Sherwood. Because they thought Klopp was coming. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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