JPJCB Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I respect him by the most of the pre-relegation circling the drain managers (i.e. Mcleish, Sherwood, Garde) not that that's saying much. Had to operate in tight financial constraints and made some decent signings all things considered. There were times where we played decent football and it felt like we might be on the brink of breaking the rot - I think it was the start of his second season after we beat Arsenal away and it looked like we might have a decent year before Benteke got injured against Norwich(?) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, JPJCB said: I respect him by the most of the pre-relegation circling the drain managers (i.e. Mcleish, Sherwood, Garde) not that that's saying much. Had to operate in tight financial constraints and made some decent signings all things considered. There were times where we played decent football and it felt like we might be on the brink of breaking the rot - I think it was the start of his second season after we beat Arsenal away and it looked like we might have a decent year before Benteke got injured against Norwich(?) I don't get the hate for Garde. He was completely and totally ineffective of course but the club was already at rock bottom when he came in anyway. But yeah even though Lambert was undoubtedly poor from us, I feel he's a tad underrated on here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Lambert was shocking. Should have been canned after that Bradford travesty. We also should have gone down a year (2?) earlier too as we beat arsenal away, high flying soton away, Chelsea and drew at anfield which no offense is a haul of points that shower of a team we had should never have got in a month of Sundays. Turn those 10 points into the more likely 1 to 2 we'd ordinarily have got and we'd have been bottom of the league probably 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blunther Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 7 hours ago, VillaJ100 said: We also should have gone down a year (2?) earlier too as we beat arsenal away, high flying soton away, Chelsea and drew at anfield which no offense is a haul of points that shower of a team we had should never have got in a month of Sundays. Turn those 10 points into the more likely 1 to 2 we'd ordinarily have got and we'd have been bottom of the league probably That doesn't make any sense though, you can't just say 'if we didn't get those points we'd have had fewer points', the same goes for any team in any season. If we'd lost our last three we'd be level with Brentford. But we didn't so we're not. FWIW looking at some of the teams Lambert had to put out, we had no right to be in the Premier League. I think some of those lineups would be struggling in the championship. The football was dire, it was a miserable time, but I don't blame Lambert for it. I think he could have been a decent manager in the right circumstance but like so many before, a spell at the Villa broke the poor bugger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, blunther said: That doesn't make any sense though, you can't just say 'if we didn't get those points we'd have had fewer points', the same goes for any team in any season. If we'd lost our last three we'd be level with Brentford. But we didn't so we're not. FWIW looking at some of the teams Lambert had to put out, we had no right to be in the Premier League. I think some of those lineups would be struggling in the championship. The football was dire, it was a miserable time, but I don't blame Lambert for it. I think he could have been a decent manager in the right circumstance but like so many before, a spell at the Villa broke the poor bugger. Lambert was good for a season, then after that he was dreadful. I remember that period where we kept losing games under him as teams kept scoring corners against us as ws were absolutely hopeless at them. We got humiliated by lower league sides in the cups too. The bradford one was unforgivable. We should have won the cup that year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blunther Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Lambert was good for a season, then after that he was dreadful. I remember that period where we kept losing games under him as teams kept scoring corners against us as ws were absolutely hopeless at them. We got humiliated by lower league sides in the cups too. The bradford one was unforgivable. We should have won the cup that year Yeah Bradford was a complete **** up. Would have been the only time we'd have played a side you'd fancy beating in the final too. I seem to remember about 25k turning up a couple of times. Also remember losing to I think QPR with about ten minutes to go and the ground was just empty. Must have been a few thousand left at the end. Lichaj, Herd, Kevin Toner.... I don't know how we expected to defend playing players of that quality though. Lambert was hamstrung, and somehow managed to keep us up for a couple of seasons when we were utterly dire. It's more than some managers could have done is all I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 47 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Lambert was good for a season, then after that he was dreadful. I remember that period where we kept losing games under him as teams kept scoring corners against us as ws were absolutely hopeless at them. We got humiliated by lower league sides in the cups too. The bradford one was unforgivable. We should have won the cup that year Which season was that? First season we lost 8-0 and embarrassingly got knocked out over 2 legs by a 4th tier team The last one might be the only time it happened in English football history 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Mantis said: I don't get the hate for Garde. He was completely and totally ineffective of course but the club was already at rock bottom when he came in anyway. But yeah even though Lambert was undoubtedly poor from us, I feel he's a tad underrated on here. Whoa there. He left us with a win percentage of less than 30% after over a hundred games. 8 nil to Chelsea. Bradford, Sheffield United, Millwall. Tonev. Senderos. 5-6 wins max at home all year. We go again. The last entire last 12 months of this reign when we barely won apart from at Liverpool when the board decided to give him and flabby a new contract. Lerner was turning off the taps but I think we were still being budgeted as a mid table premier league club and we barely looked like that at all in his entire time at Villa. If he hadn't have bought Benteke we would have got relegated in our first season with him I have no doubt about that. He got completely found out and without Culverhouse he is even more clueless. If any club is stupid enough to give him a job, then I have my deepest sympathies for the supporters. Edited March 11, 2022 by The Fun Factory 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 54 minutes ago, blunther said: Yeah Bradford was a complete **** up. Would have been the only time we'd have played a side you'd fancy beating in the final too. I seem to remember about 25k turning up a couple of times. Also remember losing to I think QPR with about ten minutes to go and the ground was just empty. Must have been a few thousand left at the end. Lichaj, Herd, Kevin Toner.... I don't know how we expected to defend playing players of that quality though. Lambert was hamstrung, and somehow managed to keep us up for a couple of seasons when we were utterly dire. It's more than some managers could have done is all I'm saying. We loat to millwall as well i remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, Zatman said: Which season was that? First season we lost 8-0 and embarrassingly got knocked out over 2 legs by a 4th tier team The last one might be the only time it happened in English football history Ergh dont remind me of that 8-0. I wanted to kill lambert after that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I didn't think he was that bad but then after mcleish the apathy had got me bad and it was before the anger returned for the relegation year That said... Between the arsenal away game last away game of the season (maybe last game of the season?) where bent scored and we won 2-0 I went 48 away games without seeing a win, it wasn't until the FA Cup semi final vs Liverpool, most of those would have been lambert, that's horrific (and probably why I drank) unfortunately my record after that semifinal wasn't better... Another 15 to 20 games maybe I don't why I did it beyond the tear up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 12 hours ago, JPJCB said: I respect him by the most of the pre-relegation circling the drain managers (i.e. Mcleish, Sherwood, Garde) not that that's saying much. Had to operate in tight financial constraints and made some decent signings all things considered. There were times where we played decent football and it felt like we might be on the brink of breaking the rot - I think it was the start of his second season after we beat Arsenal away and it looked like we might have a decent year before Benteke got injured against Norwich(?) Honestly I disliked the McLeish appointment, but out of all the names there post his Villa career he is the one who talks about us with most respect, he was simply out of his depth, he also secured Jack Grealish to a long term deal as Jacks parents were pushing for a move away to Man Utd, Grealish never featured under McLeish and McLeish probably knew his time would be up before Jack was ready for first team football but nonetheless he took time out to visit his family and convince them not listen to the outside noise, a £100m player could have left for free if it wasn’t for this man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 1 hour ago, The Fun Factory said: Whoa there. He left us with a win percentage of less than 30% after over a hundred games. 8 nil to Chelsea. Bradford, Sheffield United, Millwall. Tonev. Senderos. 5-6 wins max at home all year. We go again. The last entire last 12 months of this reign when we barely won apart from at Liverpool when the board decided to give him and flabby a new contract. Lerner was turning off the taps but I think we were still being budgeted as a mid table premier league club and we barely looked like that at all in his entire time at Villa. If he hadn't have bought Benteke we would have got relegated in our first season with him I have no doubt about that. He got completely found out and without Culverhouse he is even more clueless. If any club is stupid enough to give him a job, then I have my deepest sympathies for the supporters. He was poor no doubt, but by that point Lerner had basically given up and was only spending the very bare minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, gwi1890 said: Honestly I disliked the McLeish appointment, but out of all the names there post his Villa career he is the one who talks about us with most respect, he was simply out of his depth, he also secured Jack Grealish to a long term deal as Jacks parents were pushing for a move away to Man Utd, Grealish never featured under McLeish and McLeish probably knew his time would be up before Jack was ready for first team football but nonetheless he took time out to visit his family and convince them not listen to the outside noise, a £100m player could have left for free if it wasn’t for this man. not shocked about that, his Villa supporting Dad seemed to always want him to leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: not shocked about that, his Villa supporting Dad seemed to always want him to leave Big Alex cared more about our long term future than him. Yes we went down but when you think about thanks to a bit of effort on McLeish’s part we kept the player that got us back up kept us up and gave us £100m. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: We loat to millwall as well i remember Yeah, that was a Friday night just 3 days after losing to Bradford. Grim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 3 hours ago, blunther said: I seem to remember about 25k turning up a couple of times. Also remember losing to I think QPR with about ten minutes to go and the ground was just empty. Must have been a few thousand left at the end. Think the only time Lambert played them at VP we won 3-2. But yeah there were some pretty horrific days out to VP in that era in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted March 11, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2022 Can't believe anyone thinks Lambert was OK. I made a list once (possibly on here somewhere) of the historical bad records that he smashed. In the 140 years of our existence he broke about 10 all time worst records, most of them key ones. It was shocking even with the lack of investment and we should have sacked him much earlier. The contract extension was a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I genuinely didn't care for Villa when Lambert was manager. Fell out of love with the game. Insipid 'football' every week from a dull and uninspiring manager. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Yeah… The football was shit… but Lambert had his hands tied because Lerner stopped investing in the squad… as a direct result of Man City buying all of our best players and then pulling up the FFP drawbridge… So, in a round about way, all of our problems are the fault of Man City… Bunch of words removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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