BOF Posted November 16, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 16, 2015 I hope and trust that he has learned from his time at Villa rather than been damaged by it. I hope he goes back to the swashbuckling style that was his trademark at Norwich and his better performances at Villa. They're a fair bit away from promotion in that league already, but with so many games to play and a lot of mediocrity above them, if he can get them clicking then you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 1 minute ago, BOF said: I hope and trust that he has learned from his time at Villa rather than been damaged by it. I hope he goes back to the swashbuckling style that was his trademark at Norwich and his better performances at Villa. They're a fair bit away from promotion in that league already, but with so many games to play and a lot of mediocrity above them, if he can get them clicking then you never know. Learnt what though? As far as we're concerned there is no evidence to suggest that over a sustained period, those players were good enough to finish any higher. Sure if you take lamberts last 15 games and sherwoods first 15 games theyl probably be a big difference. But put the two in the same position (no new manager bounce etc) and I think we would likely see lambert as the better manager. I suppose you could say he could learn from dodgy transfer dealings but his hands were pretty much tied in that sense. It seems as though it didn't work with us of course due to where we were as a club, but due to lack of alternate evidence, we can't comment I don't think. For all we know he could have had villa punching well above their weight (and at points, I thought he had tbh). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 16, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 16, 2015 You're agreeing with me then Woody because I think he did a good job here overall. There's no doubt whatsoever that he's a considerably better manager than Sherwood. And yes I do mean that I hope he learned from the hardship at Villa. I fully expect that he will do well at Blackburn. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 53 minutes ago, BOF said: You're agreeing with me then Woody because I think he did a good job here overall. There's no doubt whatsoever that he's a considerably better manager than Sherwood. And yes I do mean that I hope he learned from the hardship at Villa. I fully expect that he will do well at Blackburn. I'm with ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bose Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) Looks about 15 years younger compared to how he looked at the end at Villa. Edited November 16, 2015 by bose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DCJonah Posted November 16, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) He did a good job? There's really no evidence at all to suggest that. Our results, points average, goals scored, style of football, league finishes and everything else that really matters were abysmal under him. Over 100 years of history at this club and quite a few of the worst records in all that history have been set by his involvement in the club. He had it tough and had to work for an awful owner but there's no way I can look back on those 2 and a half years and think he did anything but a poor job. He didn't build anything, he didn't put anything in place to help develop success, he ran us into the ground and him leaving allowed us to survive. He did an excellent job for Norwich, could well be brilliant for Blackburn and go onto better things, but that period here will always be a very poor managerial performance. Edited November 16, 2015 by DCJonah 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I would rate Lambos performace a 6/10 at Villa over the three seasons, but he was far better than Sherwood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I think they were both shit and I just hope their appointments don't end up costing us long term. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) Lambert produced the worst 'football' I have ever seen down VP in his final season at the club. Interesting to see how he gets on Edited November 16, 2015 by Xela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 3 hours ago, Woodytom said: Learnt what though? As far as we're concerned there is no evidence to suggest that over a sustained period, those players were good enough to finish any higher. Sure if you take lamberts last 15 games and sherwoods first 15 games theyl probably be a big difference. But put the two in the same position (no new manager bounce etc) and I think we would likely see lambert as the better manager. I suppose you could say he could learn from dodgy transfer dealings but his hands were pretty much tied in that sense. It seems as though it didn't work with us of course due to where we were as a club, but due to lack of alternate evidence, we can't comment I don't think. For all we know he could have had villa punching well above their weight (and at points, I thought he had tbh). Is this . . . do I see right . . . Woody taking a position which isn't maximally negative on an issue? INCOMING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 16, 2015 Paul Lambert has done shits that are better managers than Tim Sherwood. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 16, 2015 Fwiw, my housemate is a Blackburn fan and he's excited about Lambert being manager. I know that's a sample of one so doesn't really mean anything, but there you go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I hope Lambert does well at Blackburn. I always liked him, but, as he's admitted, he got tactical tunnel-vision at Villa. Good luck Lambo! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I'd imagine most championship fans would be very happy with him. I doubt they watched much of what he produced with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 7 hours ago, bose said: Looks about 15 years younger compared to how he looked at the end at Villa. Almost as man sexy as our Remi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 16, 2015 36 minutes ago, DCJonah said: I'd imagine most championship fans would be very happy with him. I doubt they watched much of what he produced with us. Well my housemate watched plenty. He lives with me after all! Poor bastard has to endure it most weekends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I didn't know Burnley fans despised Blackburn so much. There are some YT vids that will make you blush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted November 17, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 17, 2015 22 hours ago, bose said: Looks about 15 years younger compared to how he looked at the end at Villa. What a difference a bit of time off makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted November 17, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) I think Lambert will be fine in the Championship. I imagine Blackburn will be in the Premier League within 2-3 years. In the Championship you only have to play one way, and as long as you play that same way week in week out, and do it well, you'll have a good chance of being around playoffs at least. Unfortunately for Lambert, it's a little harder in the Premier League where every game needs to be handled a little differently with how you manage it. Individual players need to be micromanaged and in-game management is essential and he just didn't have that. We generally had one way of playing in the Premier League which was hugely dependent on Benteke. That was Lambert's biggest downfall. He tried, he failed, I wish him the best, but I'm glad he's no longer at AVFC. Edited November 17, 2015 by PieFacE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 21 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Well my housemate watched plenty. He lives with me after all! Poor bastard has to endure it most weekends. God I feel sorry for him. Watching us as a neutral must be a pretty terrible experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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