cyrusr Posted August 14, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, avfcDJ said: Yep, when the chips are down it’s Ty making the noise. Cheps? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 3 hours ago, VillaAlex said: Both choices make complete sense and didn't expect anything different. Very worrying for me. McGinn is a good lad but he shouldn't be starting for us if we are serious about challenging the Top 8. Being made Vice-captain seems to suggest that Smith still sees him as a lynch pin in our midfield which is (IMO) very concerning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 On 14/08/2021 at 12:54, hippo said: The whole point about MH is that people don't feel a fool speaking about it. It's all right to say he's a well paid pro and it goes with the territory. But if it's in you it's in you. Fair play to TM for speaking out. If the captaincy is or becomes a burden I'm he will let DS. I can't for the life of me remember who but I recall a player whose form nosedived when he was captain - but returned when he was relieved of duties. I understand that people should speak out about mental health and I respect him for that. Equally, I get that the amount you are paid is largely irrelevant. My point was that I would prefer that he was not burdened with the captaincy - he has lead that backline with distinction for the last few years without the captaincy - and that I would give it to Martinez - who always seems calm and in control and has been our best player since his arrival - or Konsa as I think he is similar and will only grow. Irrespective of what Mings has said about his mental health, I think it has been clear in certain games - e.g. v Bamford/Leeds at VP, v Zaha/Palace at VP - that it is possible to get inside Mings' head and affect his performance. As such, I would have preferred that he was left to focus on his game. However, he has been chosen now so let's hope that this just gives him increased confidence and allows him to take his leadership to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted October 21, 2022 Author Share Posted October 21, 2022 'twill be interesting to see how this develops. It's pretty obvious that McGinn needs dropping, at the very least. Does the new manager give the armband back to Tyrone? Or does he give it to Martinez, or Young? It will be an early challenge for the incoming boss. Put on a platter by Gerrard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted October 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) I reckon our safest bet is EMI 1 Edited October 21, 2022 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Keep McGinn as captain until end of season his confidence is shattered as it is but make sure he isnt a starter. Henderson at Liverpool and Maguire at United rarely start 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted October 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, maqroll said: 'twill be interesting to see how this develops. It's pretty obvious that McGinn needs dropping, at the very least. Does the new manager give the armband back to Tyrone? Or does he give it to Martinez, or Young? It will be an early challenge for the incoming boss. Put on a platter by Gerrard. If i was walking in as manager, the first thing I would do is sit down with McGinn and help him come to the decision to step down as captain even if it's just for the rest of the season so he can concentrate on his football. I'd then make Young (won't be playing every game) captain for the rest of the season (don't believe that will be questioned and be a bit of a reset) and revert to Martinez when Young isn't playing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Zatman said: Keep McGinn as captain until end of season his confidence is shattered as it is but make sure he isnt a starter. Henderson at Liverpool and Maguire at United rarely start Agree with this. One of Gerrard’s many mistakes was elevating the whole captaincy issue. With him gone, let it rest for the season to avoid more unnecessary drama. McGinn doesn’t have to play anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 I think the captaincy should be given back to Mings, the manager would immediately earn a lot of good will that way. Of course this depends on whether this would bother Mcginn, but I get the feeling it won’t and he’d be happy to return the armband back. Speculation of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted October 22, 2022 Author Share Posted October 22, 2022 I think we should sell McGinn in January. If he has a good World Cup, we can get a decent price for him. Maybe an Italian club would have interest. Then we invest that money in an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 46 minutes ago, maqroll said: I think we should sell McGinn in January. If he has a good World Cup, we can get a decent price for him. Maybe an Italian club would have interest. Then we invest that money in an upgrade. I’m one of seemingly very few on here who rate McGinn, but even I can’t see him getting through a game in Serie A! Think a West Ham would be a more likely destination. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 5 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I reckon our safest bet is EMI 1 Agree 100%. He starts every game, his teammates like him, and it’s the least political choice. Mings, McGinn, Young, Carlos, etc can be outfield leaders when playing, and it gives the manager flexibility to bench whoever is underperforming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Young > Emi > Mings > Digne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 The best thing Danks can do is give it to Young or Emi right now so no new manager has "taken the capataincy away from McGinn" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Zatman said: Keep McGinn as captain until end of season his confidence is shattered as it is but make sure he isnt a starter. Henderson at Liverpool and Maguire at United rarely start Both of those are club captains aren’t they? Like Young is for us. So when we have Digne back we could find ourselves with the Club captain and Match day captain on the bench if he isn’t selected due to performances… what a mess. Edited October 22, 2022 by Tayls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Tayls said: Both of those are club captains aren’t they? Like Young is for us. So when we have Digne back we could find ourselves with the Club captain and Match day captain on the bench if he isn’t selected due to performances… what a mess. Not sure but I think when Henderson comes on he usually takes the armband Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 6 hours ago, maqroll said: I think we should sell McGinn in January. If he has a good World Cup, we can get a decent price for him. Maybe an Italian club would have interest. Then we invest that money in an upgrade. He would be lucky to get a game in Serie C. He doesnt have the technique to play abroad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 No good can come from stripping McGinn of the captaincy mid season. Just stop playing him solves the problem 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) Best thing the new manager can do is not make such a big deal about it publicly like the last chump did. Just come in to training, say “John, I’m making so and so captain. Nothing personal, thank you for being the captain previously and I hope we all can move forward with this”. Done. Edited October 22, 2022 by Ingram85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokingzen Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 8 hours ago, Laughable Chimp said: I think the captaincy should be given back to Mings, the manager would immediately earn a lot of good will that way. Of course this depends on whether this would bother Mcginn, but I get the feeling it won’t and he’d be happy to return the armband back. Speculation of course Good will from who? Personally I don't think Mings should be on the pitch never mind given the captaincy back. We have a team that over the last couple of years has had a weak mind set and a tendency to give away needless cheap goals and then capitulate in games, much of that has stemmed from Mings. I think if Carlos hadn't been injured we'd be in a different position now, and would make a good shout for captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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