Zhan_Zhuang Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 18 hours ago, oishiiniku_uk said: Just the other week Nice Guy Eddie said they had no friends in the market to help them out. He must have simply forgotten that their owners also ran the Saudi Pro League and could do them a favour to get Newcastle out of a tight spot... A cynic might suggest that the PR campaign of 'these pesky financial rules are stopping us spending money' coming out of Newcastle the last few weeks was laying the groundwork to make this kind of move appear to be their only viable option... Also, I'm sure Almiron is really keen to go to the SPL when a lot of players who signed in the summer are already trying to get the hell out of there! Did I imagine the PL trying to put rules in place to stop this sort of thing? Did I imagine the Barcodes only a few months ago denying they would use the Saudi league to bail them out? Bunch of corrupt, greedy liars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 9 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Did I imagine the PL trying to put rules in place to stop this sort of thing? Did I imagine the Barcodes only a few months ago denying they would use the Saudi league to bail them out? Bunch of corrupt, greedy liars. They tried, but was voted against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 12 minutes ago, duke313 said: They tried, but was voted against. Of course they did... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 14 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Of course they did... 8 clubs voted against it including 4 of the bottom 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oishiiniku_uk Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 hours ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Did I imagine the PL trying to put rules in place to stop this sort of thing? Did I imagine the Barcodes only a few months ago denying they would use the Saudi league to bail them out? Bunch of corrupt, greedy liars. It was voted against, and Newcastle said they wouldn't be loaning players from the SPL, but they didn't say anything about selling TO that league (possibly for an inflated price)... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, oishiiniku_uk said: It was voted against, and Newcastle said they wouldn't be loaning players from the SPL, but they didn't say anything about selling TO that league (possibly for an inflated price)... Yeah that was my thoughts, the vote was on loaning players from the league, not on the ability to sell players to that league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Turned down £12m for Trippier. Odd. That's sounds like a good price for a 33 year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 15 minutes ago, villa89 said: Turned down £12m for Trippier. Odd. That's sounds like a good price for a 33 year old. He's been terrible recently since his off the field / personal issues. Clearly not worried / have a plan for FFP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 16 minutes ago, villa89 said: Turned down £12m for Trippier. Odd. That's sounds like a good price for a 33 year old. They are probably trying to milk more from the deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Their plan is to get £30m from their pals, for Almiron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 41 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Their plan is to get £30m from their pals, for Almiron The rumour is in euros so that’s still around £25m which still seems above market value. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 24 Moderator Share Posted January 24 28 minutes ago, The_Steve said: The rumour is in euros so that’s still around £25m which still seems above market value. As much as I'm desperate to stick the bonesaw into Newcastle for shady dealings (and boy am I !!), I don't think £25m for a 29 year old coming off that performance last season is particularly outrageous. It might be heading towards the top end of his valuation, but I don't think this is really the slamdunk that's gonna do them in. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, BOF said: As much as I'm desperate to stick the bonesaw into Newcastle for shady dealings (and boy am I !!), I don't think £25m for a 29 year old coming off that performance last season is particularly outrageous. It might be heading towards the top end of his valuation, but I don't think this is really the slamdunk that's gonna do them in. He's started most of their league games and still has 18 months on his contract as well I think? Agree, it would be high but not outrageously so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 24 Moderator Share Posted January 24 5 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: He's started most of their league games and still has 18 months on his contract as well I think? Agree, it would be high but not outrageously so. I think they know all eyes wil be on the valuation of deals. I think I have more issue with the ease with which they can make the deals happen. Need a quick £10m? Here, flog this fella to that lot. No need to inflate the valuation and get the microscopes focussed on you. Just sell at top end valution but be able to do it much more quickly than anyone else would be able to. That, in itself, is an advantage. But very difficult to prove it's been greenlit for those particular reasons. Basically a glorified ATM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 8 minutes ago, BOF said: As much as I'm desperate to stick the bonesaw into Newcastle for shady dealings (and boy am I !!), I don't think £25m for a 29 year old coming off that performance last season is particularly outrageous. It might be heading towards the top end of his valuation, but I don't think this is really the slamdunk that's gonna do them in. I saw some people post on here thats what we should have been asking for Coutinho last summer so its not bad for Almiron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 4 minutes ago, BOF said: I think they know all eyes wil be on the valuation of deals. I think I have more issue with the ease with which they can make the deals happen. Need a quick £10m? Here, flog this fella to that lot. No need to inflate the valuation and get the microscopes focussed on you. Just sell at top end valution but be able to do it much more quickly than anyone else would be able to. That, in itself, is an advantage. But very difficult to prove it's been greenlit for those particular reasons. Basically a glorified ATM. That’s fair. I agree it’s the top end of his valuation, I think Newcastle are certainly getting the advantage of the best possible deal by selling talent to Saudi teams still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 17 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: He's started most of their league games and still has 18 months on his contract as well I think? Agree, it would be high but not outrageously so. True his performance last season was basically close my eyes hit the ball as hard as I can towards goal and a few times it flew in. Totally unsustainable and that's why he did next to sod all in the second half of the season. So £25mil is great money for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 The Saudi league is basically for them like adding a new manager mode on your FM save to maximise on flogging your deadwood or squad players 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, The_Steve said: The rumour is in euros so that’s still around £25m which still seems above market value. Don't forget the market value is based on ASM i dont think its that dodgy a number, maybe a little high factoring in his contract but its not phone the lawyers stuff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, VillaJ100 said: True his performance last season was basically close my eyes hit the ball as hard as I can towards goal and a few times it flew in. Totally unsustainable and that's why he did next to sod all in the second half of the season. So £25mil is great money for him Agree. It is great money for him, based on my belief being the same as yours. He got incredibly lucky for a run of games and I said at the time his luck would run out....and it did. But the market doesn't tend to agree and those websites that provide estimated values (and invariably they understate them) have him anything between €18m and €30m. Throw in that Newcastle owe the club they bought him from some of the sale, and they wouldn't be accepting much less than that from anyone else if they didn't have a related party they could sell to. Whether anyone would pay it, who knows. All that said, for the first time in years it seems the wider football market is actually moving downward in valuations based on FFP barriers, so this is prime time for them to get him off their books and mightily convenient that they have a related party that will happily meet the very top of their slightly high valuation. It stinks to me, and no-one will convince me otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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