Hamburglar Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 43 minutes ago, Zatman said: Thats not a lady that is Andy Carroll Mandy Carroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted December 21, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 21, 2021 They've written an official letter to the Premier League querying refereeing against them Corrupt owners used to getting away with anything they want completely baffled that corruption can go against you. It must be an unpleasant new feeling for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 The man City penalty is obvious but what else have they had? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 1 minute ago, sidcow said: They've written an official letter to the Premier League querying refereeing against them Corrupt owners used to getting away with anything they want completely baffled that corruption can go against you. It must be an unpleasant new feeling for them. They have also sent Christmas cards to every PL official with £50k in it, for no reason. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Seems to me that Rafa and NUFC's paths are converging - really wouldn't be surprised to see a swift execution of Howe and Rafa coming in - not that it'd guarantee to keep them up but it'd be their best shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, villa4europe said: The man City penalty is obvious but what else have they had? The Maddison swandive the week before 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisvilla4 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Wonder if Sundays ref will mysteriously disappear.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 40 minutes ago, sidcow said: They've written an official letter to the Premier League querying refereeing against them Corrupt owners used to getting away with anything they want completely baffled that corruption can go against you. It must be an unpleasant new feeling for them. Written in blood no doubt. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, chrisvilla4 said: Wonder if Sundays ref will mysteriously disappear.... Special invite to an embassy or something ? Probably a lot going on behind the scenes we don't know about, like busy little elves they are the Newcastle owners. Chop, chop, busy, busy, work, work, bang bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, Jareth said: Seems to me that Rafa and NUFC's paths are converging - really wouldn't be surprised to see a swift execution of Howe and Rafa coming in - not that it'd guarantee to keep them up but it'd be their best shot. Do pay offs to managers count to FFP ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted December 21, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 21, 2021 I've seen a lot of ref's driving around in Ferrari's recently. Surprised their wages stretch to that kind of extravagance to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 59 minutes ago, sidcow said: I've seen a lot of ref's driving around in Ferrari's recently. Surprised their wages stretch to that kind of extravagance to be fair. For me their wages should... They should be well paid, it should be a job that people want to do One of my usual ref complaints is that they aren't made to train or have a level of athleticism that is comparable to the players, John Moss chasing round after world class athletes is a recipe for disaster At the same time John Moss gets a basic wage of around £70k a year plus then match fees plus then if he was any good he could match fees for European and international games, could get to around £200k... Chasing round guys who earn that in half a week Part of making the whole thing more professional would include making it better paid, should also include not having 50% of their income dependant on PGMOL picking them for matches... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 23 hours ago, villa4europe said: For me their wages should... They should be well paid, it should be a job that people want to do One of my usual ref complaints is that they aren't made to train or have a level of athleticism that is comparable to the players, John Moss chasing round after world class athletes is a recipe for disaster At the same time John Moss gets a basic wage of around £70k a year plus then match fees plus then if he was any good he could match fees for European and international games, could get to around £200k... Chasing round guys who earn that in half a week Part of making the whole thing more professional would include making it better paid, should also include not having 50% of their income dependant on PGMOL picking them for matches... They make more in match fees than basic pay. With VAR and 4th official its now normal to get 4x match fees each week (Match fees can exceed 1k). In addition everything is also put on expenses such as accommodation, travel, food etc. They make an absolute monstrous amount of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, pas5898 said: They make more in match fees than basic pay. With VAR and 4th official its now normal to get 4x match fees each week (Match fees can exceed 1k). In addition everything is also put on expenses such as accommodation, travel, food etc. They make an absolute monstrous amount of money. So they make more from toeing the PGMOL line and getting selected... And in the context of Premier league football is it really a monstrous amount of money? I only briefly googled it but the suggestion was a top top CL and international ref earns around £200k a year I wouldn't say no to them earning more if the professionalism and ability went with it, how do they get young ex pro footballers to drop out of villas academy at 18 to think that being a ref being a viable alternative to dropping in to the lower leagues, why is the youngest ref about 34? Why are seemingly 70% of them ex teachers? I think they should put in some infrastructure that changes the profile of who the refs are and paying more would be part of that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pas5898 Posted December 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, villa4europe said: So they make more from toeing the PGMOL line and getting selected... Nail on head. Be a good little boy, don't cause any trouble and you'll get 4 games a week instead of 1. The referees know that when they inevitably give the Sky 6 a soft penalty and ignore a clear penalty for a Newcastle, Dermot and Pete Walton will be on TV defending them and saying they can see why it was / wasn't given, brushed under carpet. They also know that if they dare do something Jurgen Klopp is unhappy with, then Talk Sport, Sky Sports, Carragher, Souness etc cry all week and bring added pressure to the PGMOL. Going back to our game, if that Penalty on Salah wasn't given then Klopp would have been crying all week. The fact Salah dived, then they ignored a penalty on Ings got 20 seconds on MOTD, no other coverage and now completely ignored. Arsenal got the softest of penalties on Coufal, no real coverage. TAA made the exact same challenge (getting less of the ball), no Penalty. There's no scrutiny at all. There's been massive focus on the Kane tackle and Roberston Red card all week because it went against Liverpool. Not heard anything about the fact Xhaka did an AWFUL instant red card tackle on a Leeds player and it wasn't even reviewed. Referees should be judged by an independent panel of ex refs and players and ranked accordingly on big incidents. Newcastle are completely correct to put pressure on the referees. I think "the other 14" should get together and do the same, as the standard of refereeing is heavily biased. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted December 23, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 23, 2021 (edited) On 21/12/2021 at 03:41, villa4europe said: For me their wages should... They should be well paid, it should be a job that people want to do One of my usual ref complaints is that they aren't made to train or have a level of athleticism that is comparable to the players, John Moss chasing round after world class athletes is a recipe for disaster At the same time John Moss gets a basic wage of around £70k a year plus then match fees plus then if he was any good he could match fees for European and international games, could get to around £200k... Chasing round guys who earn that in half a week Part of making the whole thing more professional would include making it better paid, should also include not having 50% of their income dependant on PGMOL picking them for matches... I agree that their wages should be higher. I also agree that John Moss probably wouldn't win a foot race with my nan who died in 2001. (it's an embarrassment that fat f**k is a PL ref.) I've been backstage (before playing the national anthem) at a few US sporting events. I'll never forget seeing the NBA refs walking into the stadium in Miami. The confidence they exuded was palpable. No-one was allowed near them - they knew they were untouchable. A quick google seems to suggest that within 3 years they make half a million a year. Certainly not as much as the stars of the game but enough to know that integrity would make them and their families very, very rich. The PGMOL should campaign to get refs paid 5-10 times more - then you would start to see a coveted career by serious athletes who love the game. Edited December 23, 2021 by TheAuthority 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart_75 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 On 21/12/2021 at 09:37, sidcow said: I've seen a lot of ref's driving around in Ferrari's recently. Surprised their wages stretch to that kind of extravagance to be fair. is £200k a year, driving around in Ferrari money? Not sure it is in my opinion. Maybe if you live in a grotty bedsit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted December 23, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, stuart_75 said: is £200k a year, driving around in Ferrari money? Not sure it is in my opinion. Maybe if you live in a grotty bedsit. It was just supposed to be a joke about them accepting bribes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imavillan Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Cringe of all cringe 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 On 23/12/2021 at 14:23, stuart_75 said: is £200k a year, driving around in Ferrari money? Not sure it is in my opinion. Maybe if you live in a grotty bedsit. Easy it is. Especially when leasing it. Maybe not a brand new one, but a couple of years old, the lease costs will be c£1.5k-£1.8k per month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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