Rodders Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 so much is focussed on the president, but because everything is so partisan, the checks and balances ensure very little is ever actually done if the democrats don't have majorities in both senate and congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post choffer Posted November 2, 2016 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted November 2, 2016 (Lifted from a Facebook post) Clinton emails. Trump admitting sexual assault. Clinton emails. Trump charity fraud. Clinton emails. Trump calls for nuclear proliferation. Clinton emails. Trump calls for national stop and frisk. Clinton emails. Trump violates trade embargo with Cuba. Clinton emails. Trump sued over Trump University fraud. Clinton emails. Trump bribes District Attorney. Clinton emails. Trump doesn't pay taxes for 20 years. Clinton emails. Trump employs campaign manager involved in illegal corruption with Russia. Clinton emails. Trump calls for ban of an entire religion from entering U.S. Clinton emails. Trump lied about support for Iraq War over and over during debate. Clinton emails. Trump in court for rape of a minor. Clinton emails. Trump unaware of Russia's Crimea occupation. Clinton emails. Trump unaware of situation in Syria. Clinton emails. Trump penalized for racist housing discrimination. Clinton emails. Trump files for bankruptcy 6 times. Clinton emails. Trump goes 0-3 in debates by showing scant knowledge of world politics. Clinton emails. Trump slams people for being POWs. Clinton emails. Trump calls Mexicans rapists. Clinton emails. Trump questions judge's integrity because of parent's heritage. Clinton emails. Trump deletes emails involved in casino scandal. Clinton emails. Trump commits insurance fraud after Florida hurricane. Clinton emails. Trump has dozens of assault victims and witnesses come forward with allegations of abuse. Clinton emails. Trump attacks former Miss America for being overweight. Clinton emails. Trump tweets about non-existent sex tapes at 3am. Clinton emails. Trump calls for U.S. citizens to be sent to Gitmo. Clinton emails. Trump calls for more extreme forms of torture to be used. Clinton emails. Trump asks why cant we use our nukes if we have them. Clinton emails. Trump calls for women and children related to suspected terrorists to be bombed. Clinton emails. Trump says women should be punished for having abortions. Clinton emails. Trump makes fun of disabled people. Clinton emails. Trump calls for end to freedom of the press. Clinton emails. Trump calls global warming a Chinese hoax. Clinton emails. Trump praises Putin's strong leadership. Clinton emails. Trump openly admits to not paying his employees during debate. Clinton emails. Trump calls Obama an illegitimate non-citizen hundreds of times over 7 years. Clinton emails. Trump uses campaign donations to enrich his own businesses. Clinton emails. Trump says Ted Cruz involved in JFK assassination unironically citing National Enquirer. Clinton emails. Trump says laziness is an inherent trait in black people. Clinton emails." 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 2, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted November 2, 2016 That's pretty much what I was getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 But if you look beyond Facebook you can find quite a few more scandals associated with the Clintons. Quote During his 1992 campaign for the presidency, Bill Clinton was fond of promising America, “You get two for the price of one,” indicating Hillary Clinton would act as his co-president. But the nation got much more than it bargained for, as the top power couple brought a load of baggage with them into the White House from their days in Arkansas. After the Clintons moved into the presidential mansion, the political scandals multiplied – from use of the IRS and FBI to target political opponents to stalking and harassing subjects of Bill Clinton’s sexual advances and even attempts to loot taxpayer-funded items from the White House. Americans also witnessed capers such as Travelgate, Chinagate, Filegate and Pardongate. http://tinyurl.com/l6855gh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 That website is run by Joseph Farah, who denied that Barrack Obama was a US citizen, and called for him to release his birth certificate. When he did so, he then wanted to see the long form version. When Obama released that, Farah claimed it was a forgery. I'll take anything on that clearing in the woods's website with an industrial vat of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 'Travelgate, Chinagate, Filegate and Pardongate' One rule of politics - not sure if it's totally 'iron' or not yet, but I'm increasingly convinced - is that scandals that are actually scandalous don't need the suffix '-gate' after them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 According to Christopher Hitchens, Hillary told Bill to stop out of Bosnia because it would have got in the way of her health plan reforms. Hitchens went on to say that that 'probably cost 200,000 lives'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Anyone else think Trump is going to win this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) I'm surprised he's leading in the polls since yesterday and still such long odds at the bookies. Rumours of more damaging releases from Wikileaks to come this week as well. I've dropped a few quid on him winning just to ease the despair if it happens. Hillary's knack of winning votes in areas that that use voting machines by suspicious margins ought to see her through though. Edited November 2, 2016 by Davkaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 22 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said: Anyone else think Trump is going to win this? Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I did the predictor thing and had Clinton winning 341 electoral votes to 191. Also had Utah going to Evan McMullin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) there's half a chance that if that Evan McMullin fella does well in a couple of other states ( Idaho and Wyoming I think ) then neither Hillary nor Trump may reach 270 electoral votes - in which case The House of Representatives declares the winner. It's dominated by Republicans. That becomes a popcorn moment then. All those prime republicans refusing to endorsing him as a candidate then possibly being responsible for selecting him directly. What a system. There's presumably no chance they'd choose Hilary. Imagine if they chose an Independent That said, the poll figures are twitchy bum time. The most offensive candidate / human being nominated in a western democracy in modern times on the verge of being elected... if it happens I think we should just inform Americans that the independence experiment has failed and take back our colony. It's the most reasonable response. 240 years to get your shit together, and you do this. Edited November 2, 2016 by Rodders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I'd completely forgot that this ever happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 1 hour ago, LakotaDakota said: Anyone else think Trump is going to win this? I think it's much closer than most people realise. Clearly the momentum is hugely in his favour this week. Time will tell if it stalls now, with him slightly behind, or keeps going and he edges ahead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 This morning there was a brief vox pop of young american voters and the UK radio journalist asked why they were all so unimpressed with the two candidates. They didn't like Trump due to all the reasons we are all well versed in via our media. They didn't like Hilary because of the constant undercurrent of dodgy deals and 'not quite' lies, a constant whiff of something as yet unproven. The radio presenter basically said, 'oh you mean the e-mails?'. To which they responded, 'no, pay to play'. I'd never heard of it so I've done a little googling, When Secretary of State it looks very much like donors to the Clinton Foundation got disproportionately more grants and contracts to 'help rebuild' Haiti. No donation, no government contract. She was quizzed at the third presidential debate on this. Trump didn't raise it, the moderator did. He asked about pay to play, she gave the answer that she never did anything that didn't further America. The moderator asked again, she said 'there was no evidence'. Trump weighed in with accusations about Saudi Arabia, focus was gone and Hilary was off the hook. Then there's the private and paid for speeches she gave that she didn't want publicised. Telling big business that politicians had to have two positions on big issues, the position they tell the voters, and their actual position. Then there's the non-counting of Bernie Sanders votes with HC declared winner with millions of votes extrapolated out from a sample that favoured HC. Secret deals with the media to drip feed them exclusive content in exchange for being able to veto unfavourable counter stories. So there is more (or less) to Clinton than just e-mails. She's just very lucky that she is up against Trump. Trump is, by some margin, the stinkier and stickier of two turds. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: Then there's the non-counting of Bernie Sanders votes with HC declared winner with millions of votes extrapolated out from a sample that favoured HC. It's also incredibly troubling that in a number of states, she beat Sanders by 10%+, which was not reflected by exit polls. This happened in several states, all of which have unvetted electronic voting machines with no paper trail. Not only did Sanders win overall in states without the machines, the results closely matched the exit polls in those states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 2, 2016 Moderator Share Posted November 2, 2016 Isn't the accusation that Clinton is a puppet of the world order conspiracy of the Bilderburg group (aka the Rothchilds) and that some of the private server emails highlight this close relationship? I don't much buy into conspiracy theories but I'm very intrigued by Bilderburg and the Rothchilds family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 1 minute ago, TrentVilla said: Isn't the accusation that Clinton is a puppet of the world order conspiracy of the Bilderburg group (aka the Rothchilds) and that some of the private server emails highlight this close relationship? I don't much buy into conspiracy theories but I'm very intrigued by Bilderburg and the Rothchilds family. errr... and Russia is getting so much grief 'cause they recently paid off their Rothschild loans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 2 hours ago, chrisp65 said: This morning there was a brief vox pop of young american voters and the UK radio journalist asked why they were all so unimpressed with the two candidates. They didn't like Trump due to all the reasons we are all well versed in via our media. They didn't like Hilary because of the constant undercurrent of dodgy deals and 'not quite' lies, a constant whiff of something as yet unproven. The radio presenter basically said, 'oh you mean the e-mails?'. To which they responded, 'no, pay to play'. I'd never heard of it so I've done a little googling, When Secretary of State it looks very much like donors to the Clinton Foundation got disproportionately more grants and contracts to 'help rebuild' Haiti. No donation, no government contract. She was quizzed at the third presidential debate on this. Trump didn't raise it, the moderator did. He asked about pay to play, she gave the answer that she never did anything that didn't further America. The moderator asked again, she said 'there was no evidence'. Trump weighed in with accusations about Saudi Arabia, focus was gone and Hilary was off the hook. Then there's the private and paid for speeches she gave that she didn't want publicised. Telling big business that politicians had to have two positions on big issues, the position they tell the voters, and their actual position. Then there's the non-counting of Bernie Sanders votes with HC declared winner with millions of votes extrapolated out from a sample that favoured HC. Secret deals with the media to drip feed them exclusive content in exchange for being able to veto unfavourable counter stories. So there is more (or less) to Clinton than just e-mails. She's just very lucky that she is up against Trump. Trump is, by some margin, the stinkier and stickier of two turds. I posted an msnbc vid about the pay-to-play the other day and they referenced Doug Band as being the Clintons, and the looks on their faces talking about his was amazing. They were truly disgusted. What a sorry state this country is in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 4 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Nope To be fair nobody saw Brexit coming especially in the week before. I think its down to people getting at the side or person types they dont like rather than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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