Davkaus Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 That isn't even the worst thing she said. She's repeated the mantra of 'question us, and we'll make you pay' Quote Conway also suggested that Todd's insistence on asking why Spicer delivered a demonstrably false statement could affect the White House's treatment of the media. "If we're going to keep referring to the press secretary in those types of terms I think we're going to have to rethink our relationship here," she said. http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/wh-spokesman-gave-alternative-facts-inauguration-crowd-n710466 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VILLAMARV Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Invoked Internal and External threat - check Created Prison System outside the Rule of Law - check Internal Paramilitary organisations - check Internal Surveillance programme - check Infiltration of opposition groups - check Arbitrary Detention and Release - check Targeted control over Key individuals - check Subversion of the Rule of Law - check Control of the Press - ............. Suspend the Rule of Law - .............. Nearly there....... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just now, VILLAMARV said: Invoked Internal and External threat - check Created Prison System outside the Rule of Law - check Internal Paramilitary organisations - check Internal Surveillance programme - check Infiltration of opposition groups - check Arbitrary Detention and Release - check Targeted control over Key individuals - check Subversion of the Rule of Law - check Control of the Press - ............. Suspend the Rule of Law - .............. Nearly there....... I'm playing Fallout 4 as well :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Has he nuked anyone yet? If not, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 I literally gasped watching the news last night when he said "we should have kept Iraq's oil, but, we may get another chance" unbelievable thing to say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Davkaus Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 10 minutes ago, mjmooney said: It's bullshit. That quote is nowhere in Bee Movie at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 he did quote bane though so that's bad enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Bane is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Keyblade Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, VILLAMARV said: Invoked Internal and External threat - check Created Prison System outside the Rule of Law - check Internal Paramilitary organisations - check Internal Surveillance programme - check Infiltration of opposition groups - check Arbitrary Detention and Release - check Targeted control over Key individuals - check Subversion of the Rule of Law - check Control of the Press - ............. Suspend the Rule of Law - .............. Nearly there....... I saw the 14 defining characteristics of fascism posted somewhere recently and was stunned at how many parallels there are Trump, and I hate being hyperbolic. See how many checks you get with this one. Quote 1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. 2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc. 3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. 4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. 5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution. 6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common. 7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. 8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. 9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. 10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed. 11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked. 12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations. 13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders. 14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rugeley Villa Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 The guy has a sense of humour. Doesn't anyone see this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: The guy has a sense of humour. Doesn't anyone see this? He's got a great sense of humour, I mean believe me he's got the best sense of humour, a real funny guy believe me. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Genie said: I literally gasped watching the news last night when he said "we should have kept Iraq's oil, but, we may get another chance" unbelievable thing to say. Don't you think he was being sarcastic ? I've watched the video a couple of times and it's definitely a joke to me. Some might say a bit of a sick joke but in all honesty I wouldn't be getting too irate about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just now, Rugeley Villa said: Don't you think he was being sarcastic ? I've watched the video a couple of times and it's definitely a joke to me. Some might say a bit of a sick joke but in all honesty I wouldn't be getting too irate about it. Joke or not, the president of the United States should not be making 'jokes' like that. Shows just how little respect he has for those outside of the USA. I can't see his reign ending in anything but carnage. Most likely someone will shoot him, but second bet I could see some kind of military coup or some no confidence vote if that that's possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Don't you think he was being sarcastic ? I've watched the video a couple of times and it's definitely a joke to me. Some might say a bit of a sick joke but in all honesty I wouldn't be getting too irate about it. It didn't sound like he was joking to me, but even if he was, the head of state can't be joking about potentially invading another country and taking their oil, ffs. "It's just a joke" just about works when you're a clearing in the woods hosting Top Gear. Not so much in international diplomacy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 10 minutes ago, Genie said: Joke or not, the president of the United States should not be making 'jokes' like that. Shows just how little respect he has for those outside of the USA. I can't see his reign ending in anything but carnage. Most likely someone will shoot him, but second bet I could see some kind of military coup or some no confidence vote if that that's possible. Can't see how he's anymore prone to being shot than any other US president. You are right in terms of he shouldn't be making those kind of jokes but anything the man says will be jumped on. cant see why there is such an overreaction about him. Surprise yes but anyone would think its the end of the world. Sign of the times that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Can't see how he's anymore prone to being shot than any other US president. You are right in terms of he shouldn't be making those kind of jokes but anything the man says will be jumped on. cant see why there is such an overreaction about him. Surprise yes but anyone would think its the end of the world. Sign of the times that's all. Hyper-normalisation in action. Everything the man says is under scrutiny because he is the **** president of the United States. Here's a (very long) article of everything he has been involved with. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/donald-trump-scandals/474726/ Quote The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet In tax filings, the Trump Foundation has apparently indicated that it violated federal rules against “self-dealing,” charities acting to further their leaders’ interests. And that's without the mental things he has said. Look at today with his camp dismissing lies as 'alternative facts' and threatening the media if they called his press secretary a liar (which he was) It. Is. Not Normal. It. Is. Not. 'just a sign of the times'. (what the hell does that even mean?' Edited January 22, 2017 by StefanAVFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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