StefanAVFC Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, Awol said: You may be sticking to the line that Trump is an imbecile but that conclusion flies in the face of the evidence. I'm flipping on him being an imbecile. I do believe he's a narcissist with serious issues though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) In other news, the GOP voted to gut children's health care at 1am. Make America Great Again! Edited January 12, 2017 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: In other news, the GOP voted to gut children's health care at 1am. Make America Great Again! Throughout the election, Trump said ridiculous, antagonistic things on Twitter to distract from other scandals, and the media fell for it every time. I thoroughly expect this to continue through his time in office. I expect the timing of this was deliberately lined up with yesterday's circus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted January 12, 2017 Moderator Share Posted January 12, 2017 9 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Throughout the election, Trump said ridiculous, antagonistic things on Twitter to distract from other scandals, and the media fell for it every time. I thoroughly expect this to continue through his time in office. I expect the timing of this was deliberately lined up with yesterday's circus. It wouldn't surprise me if his team were behind the intelligence leaks (lol) to divert attention away from his clearly conflicting business 'restructure'. In terms of him being an imbecile, I'm still undecided. I think he's got the face of a liar. Whatever he says, his delivery makes him look to me like he's blagging it. I've interviewed and managed people that use his body language (I inherited the ones I managed, I didn't hire them!) and it looks chillingly familiar. I don't think him getting into power is any proof of his genius though - or at least his lack of imbecility. You'd hardly think David and Victoria Beckham were top of the class, but by being surrounded by the right people, and cultivating a persona, they've become incredibly wealthy and powerful. Perhaps in the modern world, that's all the smarts you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: Perhaps in the modern world, that's all the smarts you need. In modern Western society that's demonstrably true. It's also, imo, the reason we've been getting our collective pants pulled down everywhere from the South China Sea to Crimea. I'm hopeful that some of the people around Trump will start putting that situation right in strategic terms, as long as he delegates that to them and focuses on domestic challenges. Is he smart enough to know what he doesn't know and act accordingly? We'll see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 When Fox News are defending CNN and criticising a Republican president-elect, you know that shit is getting bad. You want to talk about Nazi Germany, Donald? I don't think they were such a fan of freedom of the press, either. http://uk.businessinsider.com/shep-smith-defends-cnn-russia-report-2017-1?r=US&IR=T Quote Fox News anchor Shep Smith on Wednesday defended CNN after President-elect Donald Trump belittled one of the network's journalists at a press conference over a controversial report. "President-elect Trump today told CNN's Jim Acosta that his organization amounts to fake news," Smith said. Smith referred to CNN's Tuesday report that top intelligence officials presented Trump with information that Russian operatives claimed they possessed compromising information about him. The information presented to Trump, CNN reported, was based on a 35-page dossier which BuzzFeed later published in full on its website. "CNN's exclusive reporting on the Russian matter was separate and distinctly different from the document dump executed by an online news property," the Fox News journalist said. Here’s what Shep had to say about @realDonaldTrump 's criticism of the media #TrumpPressConference pic.twitter.com/92umEbMjD3 — Shepard Smith (@ShepNewsTeam) January 11, 2017 "Though we at FOX News cannot confirm CNN's report," Smith continued, "it is our observation that its correspondents followed journalistic standards and that neither they nor any other journalists should be subjected to belittling and delegitimizing by the president-elect of the United States." For its part, CNN defended its own coverage in a statement on Thursday, distancing itself from BuzzFeed. "CNN's decision to publish carefully sourced reporting about the operations of our government is vastly different than BuzzFeed's decision to publish unsubstantiated memos," said a statement from the network. "The Trump team knows this. They are using BuzzFeed's decision to deflect from CNN's reporting, which has been matched by the other major news organizations." The statement continued: "We made it clear that we were not publishing any of the details of the 35-page document because we have not corroborated the report's allegations," the statement continued. "Given that members of the Trump transition team have so vocally criticized our reporting, we encourage them to identify, specifically, what they believe to be inaccurate." In a statement shared with its employees, BuzzFeed defended its decision to release the memo despite hesitation by other media outlets to publish the unverified claims. "We stand with Ben on his decision to publish this newsworthy document, which was reported on by multiple news outlets and seen by high-level government officials including the president and president-elect," cofounder and CEO Jonah Peretti wrote referring to Ben Smith, BuzzFeed's editor in chief. "As a result of this decision, we were criticized by the incoming administration," Peretti continued. "We are not going to respond to these divisive comments, which put us in great company by the way — The New York Times, CNN, and The Washington Post have all been attacked. So has Meryl Streep and the cast of Hamilton, but we'd never compare ourselves to people that talented." "We are going to keep doing what we do best, which is deliver impactful journalism," the BuzzFeed cofounder concluded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted January 12, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted January 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Awol said: You may be sticking to the line that Trump is an imbecile but that conclusion flies in the face of the evidence. Winning the election doesn't prove that Trump isn't an imbecile. It proves that the electorate are imbeciles. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 It feels our judgements on this man will stay with us for a long time so yeah I'm still going for imbecile and the only evidence there is to say he isn't, just points to their being a vast number of imbeciles who voted for him. All ways up I'm starting to think democracy needs an entrance exam for those wanting to take office. That all maybe balls though as this article nicely articulates. http://www.thewhatandthewhy.com/trump-the-presidency-and-policymaking/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogso Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 21 hours ago, NurembergVillan said: 4chan are claiming that they made up the #watersportsgate report that is now being reported as genuine intelligence. Seems someone on there made it up, sent it to an anti-Trump reporter (Rick Wilson) who in turn passed it on to the authorities and now it's being taken seriously. Hence Trump's rebuttal of it as fake news. Rick Wilson has tweeted to deny that he was duped or that it's come from 4chan, and some media sources have dug around on 4chan and not found anything concrete to suggest that it did originate from there. The plot thickens. I really want it to be true though! Going back to this, there are posts from a single anonymous user in November that refer to fake intel being passed to Rick Wilson. As the above tweet shows, he denies it of course, but it does make one wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 7 hours ago, Awol said: In modern Western society that's demonstrably true. It's also, imo, the reason we've been getting our collective pants pulled down everywhere from the South China Sea to Crimea. I'm hopeful that some of the people around Trump will start putting that situation right in strategic terms, as long as he delegates that to them and focuses on domestic challenges. Is he smart enough to know what he doesn't know and act accordingly? We'll see. Perhaps if we stopped walking around with our dick in our hands in China and Russia's back yards, they wouldn't pull our pants down. Or we could just leave our pants and belt buttoned up making the down pulling an order of magnitude more difficult. Not criticism... supporting "commentary". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 51 minutes ago, villakram said: Perhaps if we stopped walking around with our dick in our hands in China and Russia's back yards, they wouldn't pull our pants down. Or we could just leave our pants and belt buttoned up making the down pulling an order of magnitude more difficult. Not criticism... supporting "commentary". I find it quite uncomfortable to hold my dick in hands without my pants being down, for any extended period of time at least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 So this spook who compiled the report on Trump works for "Orbis". Sounds like an anagram to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Rudy Giuliani is going to head a new Cybersecurity Working group for the Donald Trump transition team... Quote a move that has caused many to reflexively wonder: What does the former mayor of New York know about cybersecurity? That’s probably a fair question, because Giuliani served as an undisciplined attack dog for Trump during the campaign, saying a large number of patently and provably false things on a wide array of topics. It is concerning to some that Trump will put him in charge of solving the very real problem of preventing foreign governments from using hacking to undermine our democracy and getting private corporations to treat cybersecurity as vitally important to the economic, security, and privacy interests of their businesses, employees, and customers. But Giuliani is not an unqualified pick for this position, just a cynical one. Since 2003, his consulting firm Giuliani Partners and its subsidiary Giuliani Security and Safety has at least nominally advised clients on cybersecurity, but people who have worked with his firm say the advice is focused more on liability mitigation for companies rather than implementing best security practices. “If you hired them on a cyber engagement, they are going to tell you what your legal obligations are and how to manage the legal risk related to cyber,” a cybersecurity executive in New York who has experience with Giuliani Security and Safety and requested to remain anonymous told Motherboard. “Basically, not to prevent a Target [breach], but how to prevent a Target CEO being fired. Giuliani’s general interest in the sector seems to come from its emerging growth—in a November interview with Marketwatch, he characterized the company’s early interest in cybersecurity as a smart market grab. In 2007, after Giuliani joined the law firm Bracewell LLP with a security focus, the Associated Press noted that it was almost entirely an attempt for the firm to cash in on Giuliani’s connections and name recognition, not his lawyerly or technical expertise. This is consistent with some of the former mayor’s earliest interviews on the subject. A 2003 New York Times article announcing Giuliani Partners’s earliest forays into the cybersecurity world asked him to discuss a common cybersecurity vulnerability. "I could make a comment on the Cubs game tonight," Giuliani jokingly told The Times. Four years later, in a 2007 article, The Times described Giuliani Security and Safety as something of an interesting but growing side project. Unlike many other cybersecurity firms, Giuliani Partners does not publish white papers about malware and large-scale hacks, or push for increased adoption of encryption, which would enhance cybersecurity across the board. In fact, it doesn’t talk much about cybersecurity at all, instead choosing to focus on its more traditional anti-crime consulting work. Giuliani Partners’ website promotes its crime reduction successes in countries like El Salvador, Colombia, Mexico, and the Dominican Republic, not its cybersecurity work. Some of the only publicly available cybersecurity work the company has ever done came in 2003, after the firm investigated an electronic betting scandal for the National Thoroughbred Racing Association. In other words, Giuliani is a lawyer, not a cybersecurity expert. While the work of Giuliani’s firm is “comprehensive” and “well thought out,” the NYC executive said, it’s “not something I would expect an infosec engineer in the trenches to respect.” “Lawyers are risk managers and their work product is high level management of risk, not incident response,” the source added. “If an engineer is a firefighter, the lawyer isn't even the building inspector trying to prevent future fires, the lawyer is the guy writing the building code with an eye to prevent fires, but managing other competing interests too.” But Giuliani isn’t even writing building code. He has published nothing for GreenbergTraurig law firm’s cybersecurity practice, where he took over as chair in January 2016; the group, meanwhile, has published papers lamenting European Union privacy regulations and a spate of class action lawsuits related to consumer data privacy. According to Alexander Urbelis, a New York-based infosec lawyer at Blackstone Law Group, Giuliani's past as a successful prosecutor could signal the direction Trump wants its administration's cybersecurity efforts to be: more clamping down on cybercrime rather than anything else. “On the one hand it’s cronyism at its best, on the other hand Giuliani is not a bad person when it comes to law enforcement,” Urbelis told Motherboard, alluding to Giuliani’s close relationship with police. It should be noted, though, that Giuliani’s legacy includes enacting the controversial stop-and-frisk policy. Earlier this month, at the annual Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas of all places, the company partnered with BlackBerry to “take advantage of BlackBerry's leadership in secure mobile communications technology to assess infrastructures, identify potential cyber security vulnerabilities, address gaps and secure endpoints.” (In the past, it should be noted, BlackBerry has had very serious security issues—namely that it has been willing to intercept and decrypt messages for Canadian law enforcement and its devices have been found to have serious security flaws.) When Giuliani does talk about cybersecurity, it is not in a sophisticated way. “You should see the technologies. They're great,” Giuliani said in December, speaking to Fox News’s Sean Hannity about the state of cybersecurity in Israel. “And the thing is to then do that and have your phone number changed, but have it done automatically so your phone number never changed but it really changed.” Giuliani has yet to form a coherent position on the encryption debate, perhaps because it pits his hardline law enforcement approach to security directly against the idea that more encryption is better for the security of all, which is common wisdom in the infosec community he purports to be a part of. “When it comes to encryption, and digital technology more broadly, there is, unfortunately, no one-size-fits-all solution,” he told the House Homeland Security Committee last February. “This is a complex and difficult challenge, and it is imperative that we tackle it directly, comprehensively, and with the future in mind.” Giuliani continues to be what he has been since the 9/11 attacks: A law-and-order hardliner with international name recognition. We don’t know what, if anything, Giuliani’s group will actually do under Trump. He’s spent much of his later career racking up ceremonial job titles; this might just be one more. “Honestly, it sounds like a nothing job,” the unnamed cybersecurity executive said. “A hat-tip for the help during the campaign. ‘We don't have a real job for you, so tell us some BS title to give you that will help your career outside of government and we'll do it.’” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 26 minutes ago, snowychap said: Rudy Giuliani is going to head a new Cybersecurity Working group for the Donald Trump transition team... Pure PR role, government wise cyber is the domain (sorry) of NSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) and Obama just signed and executive order allowing raw NSA intel to be accessed by pretty much anyone in the US intelligence/security establishment. Of course, they have rules and procedures to protect etc. etc. blah, blah, blah. Privacy will be explicitly illegal soon enough. Edited January 13, 2017 by villakram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 26 minutes ago, villakram said: and Obama just signed and executive order allowing raw NSA intel to be accessed by pretty much anyone in the US intelligence/security establishment. Of course, they have rules and procedures to protect etc. etc. blah, blah, blah. Privacy will be explicitly illegal soon enough. I tend towards the Elon Musk view that once AI kicks in seriously we'll all be insurgents fighting against global enslavement by Google - the NSA by proxy. There's a reason he wants to go to Mars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheAuthority Posted January 13, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 13, 2017 42 minutes ago, Awol said: I tend towards the Elon Musk view that once AI kicks in seriously we'll all be insurgents fighting against global enslavement by Google - the NSA by proxy. There's a reason he wants to go to Mars! I've read a lot about Musk and I've never come across any statement/s like that. Not being difficult but do you have any quotes/interviews? I'm genuinely interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 21 minutes ago, TheAuthority said: I've read a lot about Musk and I've never come across any statement/s like that. Not being difficult but do you have any quotes/interviews? I'm genuinely interested. Start watching at 40:00 thru 46:00. I've taken some licence with it but his more nuanced meaning is still pretty clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 1 hour ago, blandy said: Amateurs. They've already got around foil shields, it's all about rubber now. And spandex. You need spandex. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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