snowychap Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 21 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/trump-wants-putin-summit-in-reykjavik-rc909n9t0 Well there's a shock. Glasnost, eh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 This is so **** wrong. It's the start of a dictatorship. Quote The upset to the existing order caused by the presidential election has been acutely felt by no one, perhaps, so much it has by the national press. At Donald Trump's press conference on Wednesday, reporters found themselves not only subject to a scolding ("Fake news!" "Disgraceful!") but also awakened to the strong suggestion that, at least in tactical terms, the showdown had been won by the president-elect. The media's sense of dislocation may soon become literal. According to three senior officials on the transition team, a plan to evict the press corps from the White House is under serious consideration by the incoming Trump Administration. If the plan goes through, one of the officials said, the media will be removed from the cozy confines of the White House press room, where it has worked for several decades. Members of the press will be relocated to the White House Conference Center—near Lafayette Square—or to a space in the Old Executive Office Building, next door to the White House. "There has been no decision," Sean Spicer, Trump's press secretary, said about the plan today. But Spicer acknowledged that "there has been some discussion about how to do it." http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a52301/trump-evict-press-white-house/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: This is so **** wrong. It's the start of a dictatorship. Good night, was it? In America they have this thing called the Consitution which makes the whole dictatorship concept a bit tricky. Moving the Press to a new location outside the White House doesn't foreshadow a fascist takeover. Relax. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 I wonder what they're doing with the extra space, covering it in gold and renting it out, or converting it into a spare room for when Vlad visits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Hopefully someone goes Lee Harvey on this **** idiot soon before he dooms us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 5 hours ago, Awol said: Good night, was it? In America they have this thing called the Consitution which makes the whole dictatorship concept a bit tricky. Moving the Press to a new location outside the White House doesn't foreshadow a fascist takeover. Relax. They also have something called the EC which is meant to protect the country from a potentially demagogic authoritarian like Trump. Kicking out the free press is a scary move. Especially considering the attacks on the press that him and his team have engaged in so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 52 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: Hopefully someone goes Lee Harvey on this **** idiot soon before he dooms us all. Surely you don't mean that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 I can't see how addressing the press in a different location is foreshadowing a dictatorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 23 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Surely you don't mean that. If you could go back in time and stop Ozzy meeting Sharon to avoid the terrible horrific things that followed, would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I can't see how addressing the press in a different location is foreshadowing a dictatorship. You don't see how attacking the free press and kicking them out of the Whitehouse is a authoritarian move? Did you read the article? Quote "They are the opposition party," a senior official says. "I want 'em out of the building. We are taking back the press room." How is that not scary? Edited January 15, 2017 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 15, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) Edit not worth its posting Edited January 15, 2017 by Chindie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 'Attacking the press', yes, 'talking to them in a different conference room' no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Ingram85 said: If you could go back in time and stop Ozzy meeting Sharon to avoid the terrible horrific things that followed, would you? If it's fate that he got shot fair enough but it doesn't sit comfortably with me people saying they wish someone would get shot and killed. Deep down you probably don't mean it because I don't think your really like that. I love the ozzy comparison though he probably would of been dead along time ago without her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: 'Attacking the press', yes, 'talking to them in a different conference room' no. Moving them is an indirect attack on them, especially when it's accompanied with statements like 'they're the opposition, we're taking back the press room'. You know who sees the free press as the opposition? Authoritarians. This isn't normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 I don't really mean it as like Chindie points out, another hobgoblin will appear out the shadows to replace him, then one to replace the replacement and so on. It's a futile endeavour. I was just posting out of despair and disgust at the state of the world. Hate rules us and divides us. And I'm no exception I guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Moving the press into a different room? Pol Pot would be proud. I know he has a dislike for CNN, but isn't that down to them leaking questions to Hilary in order to assist her in the debates? Is that what the 'free press' does? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Xela said: I know he has a dislike for CNN, but isn't that down to them leaking questions to Hilary in order to assist her in the debates? No. He attacked them at his press conference for running a report on the dossier about Trump's connections with Russia. Even though, they posted no details about the report. This describes it better. And Trump can hardly talk about leaks, when he banged on about WikiLeaks over 150 times in the election. He can either love leaks, or hate them. Not cheer when they help him, but be so rabid against them when they hurt him. 4 minutes ago, Xela said: Moving the press into a different room? Pol Pot would be proud. You know that isn't the point. We both know this isn't simply a case of 'moving them into a different room'. For one, you're wrong because they would be moved into a different building and your interpretation is grossly simplistic. 20 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Moving them is an indirect attack on them, especially when it's accompanied with statements like 'they're the opposition, we're taking back the press room'. You know who sees the free press as the opposition? Authoritarians. This isn't normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 17 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: I don't really mean it as like Chindie points out, another hobgoblin will appear out the shadows to replace him, then one to replace the replacement and so on. It's a futile endeavour. I was just posting out of despair and disgust at the state of the world. Hate rules us and divides us. And I'm no exception I guess. Of course, and the next guy would be worse. It would play into certain people's hands if trump ever did get bumped off, similar to how we play into the terrorists hands by bombing the **** out of them. Trump is only the poster, it's what's behind it that is much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) I'm finding it difficult to disentangle the geopolitical sparring between two global superpowers, and the personal dynasty building agendas of the two narcissistic billionaire premiers. Edited January 15, 2017 by Xann Wrong prem 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted January 15, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2017 35 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Moving them is an indirect attack on them, especially when it's accompanied with statements like 'they're the opposition, we're taking back the press room'. You know who sees the free press as the opposition? Authoritarians. This isn't normal. I'm a big believer in the 'lump of outrage hypothesis', ie there's a physical and psychological limit to the amount of outrage each person can feel. This is why we're posting in 'US Politics' but there's no thread called 'Eritrean Politics'. I share your opinions of Trump, but I think rationing your displeasure is a good idea. If that sounds patronising, I don't mean it to, it's genuinely good that you care, but there's probably another 8 years to go yet. On the White House press corps, the people who were the main beneficiaries of them working in the same location as the White House Press Secretary were previous administrations. White House correspondents tended to be good at transcribing what powerful people said, and not particularly good at investigating things. After all, asking too many difficult questions meant the Press Secretary wouldn't let you fire one off in the next press conference. So White House correspondents tend to be timeservers and sycophants, and the real, adversarial journalism happens back at head office, not in the White House's skirts. Trump's style appears to be very vindictive (he recently got involved in the race for Ohio Republican Party state chair, because he didn't like the incumbent over something the chair had done at the convention), so presumably his action here is meant to 'punish' journalists for daring to disobey him. It's not likely to help him; if anything, it's more likely to help them rediscover their backbones. Ergo, I don't think it's a worthy target for your anger. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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