AVFCforever1991 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) he was in a average City team though except Elano and Robinho who never turned up for away games The city team he was in, was better than the team he is currently in. For some reason he is not showing the form he had at city. Edited January 28, 2013 by AVFCforever1991 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 well maybe as he doesnt play every week. for some reason he is always the first player dropped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 why was he dropped yesterday or always on the bench? is he shit in training? if Lambert hates him then he should have shipped him on loan or sold him, we've got rid of Warnock and Hutton (hopefully)...... does Lambert have to freeze someone else out of the picture so is turning back to make asses of Ireland and Bent. good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 Can imagine he will be hard to sell/loan given wages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Shit atttude, no fight, no desire, lacklustre........thats why he does'nt play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Shit atttude, no fight, no desire, lacklustre........thats why he does'nt play quite likely, but we don't know that for sure or do we???? is anyone ITK on what his relationship with Lambert is like? we, me included all seem to jump to conclusions that Ireland is an overpaid charlie big potatoes who does very little on the pitch, and yet he seemed pretty consistent last season and got player of the year (because everyone else was so awful?). Surely he would have been one of the first players moved on in Jan if Lambert really doesn't rate him?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbr600rr Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 stephen ireland is the reason why pl could not bring in sissoko in, pl needs to get rid of him one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Is he OOC this summer ? Or 1 year to run ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 The quicker we get rid the better. Rather have two players on half his wages that gives a damn than Stephen Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan. Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Waste of space. Houlier was right he's not a team player, we need players that offer more than a sideways pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 I remember a couple of years back watching Super Sunday, Craig Bellamy was in the studio and was telling the story about when he signed for City. He said his friends kept asking him who the best player was as the team was full of stars. He said he told them that Stephen Ireland was out of this world, incredible talent and by far the best player. What the f**k happened to him? Money is my educated guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Shit atttude, no fight, no desire, lacklustre........thats why he does'nt play quite likely, but we don't know that for sure or do we???? is anyone ITK on what his relationship with Lambert is like? we, me included all seem to jump to conclusions that Ireland is an overpaid charlie big potatoes who does very little on the pitch, and yet he seemed pretty consistent last season and got player of the year (because everyone else was so awful?). Surely he would have been one of the first players moved on in Jan if Lambert really doesn't rate him?? Love how people think this is so easy to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 stephen ireland is the reason why pl could not bring in sissoko in, pl needs to get rid of him one way or another. how is that stephen ireland fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodigan Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 to me, SI is the footballing equivalent of rugby's danny cipriani. extremely talented as a youngster, with great potential, that was extrapolated way too far, before he'd had the time to show that he would live up to that potential. both then rightly or wrongly became media focuses off the pitch, with happenings off the pitch being used as excuses for failing to be the next jonny wilkinson (in cipriani's case) or among the most technically gifted footballers around (in SI's case)... as such, neither player has been allowed to develop in the same way that other players have - SI is now only 26, but has been held to the standard of an exceptional footballer for many years now. look at bannan delph, herd, lichaj and clark at 22 / 23. when he was that age, he was man city's player of the year, and through fortuitous timing at the club was awarded the five year contract that put him on the wages that have worked against him ever since.... having been given that contract, he went from player of the year to pariah with the sacking of hughes and the arrival of mancini... and the rest is history - he has hardly played again regularly since then.... to me, its not surprising that he looks like a shell of the player with the potential that he showed at the time... another person that springs to mind when thinking of SI is andy carroll. if he was an 8m player, people would have a very different opinion view of him than they do today. I don't hold it against these players signing contracts like that - if someone came up to me and told me they thought i was great and worth 5m a year, there's no doubt in my mind i'd thank them very much for their belief and take the contract. there are plenty more young players that will follow the same path - jordan henderson, wilfried zaha, chris smalling, chris samba, the fat pudding that was in the press recently (was it michael johnson?), half a dozen at chelsea... are these guys world beaters? no. did they ask to be held up as world beaters? probably not. will the expectation work against them? probably, much depends on how they are nurtured. walcott / oxlade-chamberlain / wilshere seem to me to be good examples of how it should be done... i have a lot of time for Brendan Rogers' approach to Raheem Sterling, and holding firm the line that you don't get a big contract at a young age, as it becomes a burden while you're developing as a player... Having said that, I don't think that Villa is a club that has the luxury of developing Ireland over a long period of time. plus, when you are paying him as a marquee player, unfortunately, the development time is not factored into the price.... for that he needs to go and sign a sensible contract and just work on playing football regularly again somewhere that he can do it... so unfortunately, i think we need to get rid of him based on where we are, and what he have ahead, but i don't think that he is a guy that doesn't care when he's on the pitch - i think he cares enormously about what the fans think about him... i just don't think he's good enough or confident enough to turn his game around in the cameo roles he's being given. i also think he could be someone like taarabt is for QPR if given the show of confidence that harry redknapp has shown in him... as an aside, i don't think he's anything like the arrogant person some on here seem to think he is. i have always found him to be very humble - vain perhaps, but not arrogant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbr600rr Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 stephen ireland is the reason why pl could not bring in sissoko in, pl needs to get rid of him one way or another. how is that stephen ireland fault? simple..hes a top earner signed by RL,then with in the time scale of the contract randy gave him..randy decides to "cut" the wage bill which means no better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarpie Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 to me, SI is the footballing equivalent of rugby's danny cipriani. extremely talented as a youngster, with great potential, that was extrapolated way too far, before he'd had the time to show that he would live up to that potential. both then rightly or wrongly became media focuses off the pitch, with happenings off the pitch being used as excuses for failing to be the next jonny wilkinson (in cipriani's case) or among the most technically gifted footballers around (in SI's case)... as such, neither player has been allowed to develop in the same way that other players have - SI is now only 26, but has been held to the standard of an exceptional footballer for many years now. look at bannan delph, herd, lichaj and clark at 22 / 23. when he was that age, he was man city's player of the year, and through fortuitous timing at the club was awarded the five year contract that put him on the wages that have worked against him ever since.... having been given that contract, he went from player of the year to pariah with the sacking of hughes and the arrival of mancini... and the rest is history - he has hardly played again regularly since then.... to me, its not surprising that he looks like a shell of the player with the potential that he showed at the time... another person that springs to mind when thinking of SI is andy carroll. if he was an 8m player, people would have a very different opinion view of him than they do today. I don't hold it against these players signing contracts like that - if someone came up to me and told me they thought i was great and worth 5m a year, there's no doubt in my mind i'd thank them very much for their belief and take the contract. there are plenty more young players that will follow the same path - jordan henderson, wilfried zaha, chris smalling, chris samba, the fat pudding that was in the press recently (was it michael johnson?), half a dozen at chelsea... are these guys world beaters? no. did they ask to be held up as world beaters? probably not. will the expectation work against them? probably, much depends on how they are nurtured. walcott / oxlade-chamberlain / wilshere seem to me to be good examples of how it should be done... i have a lot of time for Brendan Rogers' approach to Raheem Sterling, and holding firm the line that you don't get a big contract at a young age, as it becomes a burden while you're developing as a player... Having said that, I don't think that Villa is a club that has the luxury of developing Ireland over a long period of time. plus, when you are paying him as a marquee player, unfortunately, the development time is not factored into the price.... for that he needs to go and sign a sensible contract and just work on playing football regularly again somewhere that he can do it... so unfortunately, i think we need to get rid of him based on where we are, and what he have ahead, but i don't think that he is a guy that doesn't care when he's on the pitch - i think he cares enormously about what the fans think about him... i just don't think he's good enough or confident enough to turn his game around in the cameo roles he's being given. i also think he could be someone like taarabt is for QPR if given the show of confidence that harry redknapp has shown in him... as an aside, i don't think he's anything like the arrogant person some on here seem to think he is. i have always found him to be very humble - vain perhaps, but not arrogant... And I think Ireland gets some of the stick he's been getting due not being Milner, people were and are very disappointed that we replaced very popular Milner with "troublemaker" (which is somewhat undeserved stamp) Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 to me, SI is the footballing equivalent of rugby's danny cipriani. extremely talented as a youngster, with great potential, that was extrapolated way too far, before he'd had the time to show that he would live up to that potential. both then rightly or wrongly became media focuses off the pitch, with happenings off the pitch being used as excuses for failing to be the next jonny wilkinson (in cipriani's case) or among the most technically gifted footballers around (in SI's case)... as such, neither player has been allowed to develop in the same way that other players have - SI is now only 26, but has been held to the standard of an exceptional footballer for many years now. look at bannan delph, herd, lichaj and clark at 22 / 23. when he was that age, he was man city's player of the year, and through fortuitous timing at the club was awarded the five year contract that put him on the wages that have worked against him ever since.... having been given that contract, he went from player of the year to pariah with the sacking of hughes and the arrival of mancini... and the rest is history - he has hardly played again regularly since then.... to me, its not surprising that he looks like a shell of the player with the potential that he showed at the time... another person that springs to mind when thinking of SI is andy carroll. if he was an 8m player, people would have a very different opinion view of him than they do today. I don't hold it against these players signing contracts like that - if someone came up to me and told me they thought i was great and worth 5m a year, there's no doubt in my mind i'd thank them very much for their belief and take the contract. there are plenty more young players that will follow the same path - jordan henderson, wilfried zaha, chris smalling, chris samba, the fat pudding that was in the press recently (was it michael johnson?), half a dozen at chelsea... are these guys world beaters? no. did they ask to be held up as world beaters? probably not. will the expectation work against them? probably, much depends on how they are nurtured. walcott / oxlade-chamberlain / wilshere seem to me to be good examples of how it should be done... i have a lot of time for Brendan Rogers' approach to Raheem Sterling, and holding firm the line that you don't get a big contract at a young age, as it becomes a burden while you're developing as a player... Having said that, I don't think that Villa is a club that has the luxury of developing Ireland over a long period of time. plus, when you are paying him as a marquee player, unfortunately, the development time is not factored into the price.... for that he needs to go and sign a sensible contract and just work on playing football regularly again somewhere that he can do it... so unfortunately, i think we need to get rid of him based on where we are, and what he have ahead, but i don't think that he is a guy that doesn't care when he's on the pitch - i think he cares enormously about what the fans think about him... i just don't think he's good enough or confident enough to turn his game around in the cameo roles he's being given. i also think he could be someone like taarabt is for QPR if given the show of confidence that harry redknapp has shown in him... as an aside, i don't think he's anything like the arrogant person some on here seem to think he is. i have always found him to be very humble - vain perhaps, but not arrogant... Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 anyone know why he wasn't in the squad today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 anyone know why he wasn't in the squad today? Because he's a lazy tosser perhaps ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted February 10, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted February 10, 2013 anyone know why he wasn't in the squad today? Because he's a lazy tosser perhaps ? I do wonder if you've ever actually watched him play before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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