Popular Post markavfc40 Posted April 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, TRO said: but I cannot ignore Mark, The club have paid him very,very well for a very debatable career, like the curates egg, good in parts.....particularly in the last 5 years. What he is paid is almost irrelevant really in terms of us acknowledging him. There are many players who contribution to wages wise have done far less for far more than Gabby. I get why a lot of younger fans feel an attachment to him and see him as a modern day legend even though I wouldn't give him that tag. Over the last 15 years or so he has been associated with most of our good moments. The three seasons of finishing 6th, which included our highest Prem League points total, he was an integral part of that side. The run to the League Cup and FA Cup finals. Again an integral part of those sides. The numerous derby games he has scored in. The goals he scored in wins at Old Trafford and the Emiriates. For fans like me and you who were fortunate enough to see us win numerous things then him being a vital part of a side that finished 6th three times on the spin and reached a couple of major finals may not seem like a big deal. To a fan for whom that is as good as they have seen then it will understandably mean a lot. My daughter is 19 and has had a season ticket since she was 5 so this is her 14th season. She thinks a lot of Gabby for the reasons I gave above that so many of the good moments she has enjoyed in her time going he has been a part of or in terms of individual moments solely responsible for. I got to be honest as well mate I have a real soft spot for him despite his obvious failings. Local lad, came through the ranks, did exceptionally well for a time and lost his way. Played nearly 400 times for us and banged in almost 90 goals. Not reaching the heights of many others but still quite the story and one that deserves a doff of the cap and a good send off. Edited April 27, 2018 by markavfc40 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 hour ago, lapal_fan said: Oh right, so unless you're 30 or older, you can never say there's been any "legends"? So for the people like myself (at 31) who only really remembers Yorke out of that list, because while Ugo was good, he was never a legend (only applicable for dead people perhaps?) - then in my 31 years on planet Earth, I haven't seen any "legends"? Surely a legend is subjective to what you've seen. I've seen very little of McGrath, I don't even remember any of the others playing, because I wasn't born. So in my eyes, the legends are the ones who have bought me, my personal happiness during my support of the club. There may well be a list of club legends somewhere, but what you put is absolute bollocks, sorry. JPA, Carew, Barry, Southgate, Bozzie, Carew, Mellberg, Laursen, Deano, Vassell, Gabby, Young - these are MY legends. Of course, I recognise the contributions other players of our history have brought, but I haven't seen the vast majority of their contributions, just video clips from our good matches and finals. If you want to be respected, you may well start respecting other peoples arbitrary lists, rather than discounting them on the basis of age. Until you mentioned Gabby and Vassell as legends your list was stacking up - but that's where it all falls apart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Dave J said: Until you mentioned Gabby and Vassell as legends your list was stacking up - but that's where it all falls apart. In your view. Which seems to be the only opinion which you can see. It's like you've ignored the rest of my post, or are unable to understand it. No point, good day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Dave J said: Until you mentioned Gabby and Vassell as legends your list was stacking up - but that's where it all falls apart. It's because he put Carew twice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: What he is paid is almost irrelevant really in terms of us acknowledging him. There are many players who contribution to wages wise have done far less for far more than Gabby. I get why a lot of younger fans feel an attachment to him and see him as a modern day legend even though I wouldn't give him that tag. Over the last 15 years or so he has been associated with most of our good moments. The three seasons of finishing 6th, which included our highest Prem League points total, he was an integral part of that side. The run to the League Cup and FA Cup finals. Again an integral part of those sides. The numerous derby games he has scored in. The goals he scored in wins at Old Trafford and the Emiriates. For fans like me and you who were fortunate enough to see us win numerous things then him being a vital part of a side that finished 6th three times on the spin and reached a couple of major finals may not seem like a big deal. To a fan for whom that is as good as they have seen then it will understandably mean a lot. My daughter is 19 and has had a season ticket since she was 5 so this is her 14th season. She thinks a lot of Gabby for the reasons I gave above that so many of the good moments she has enjoyed in her time going he has been a part of or in terms of individual moments solely responsible for. I got to be honest as well mate I have a real soft spot for him despite his obvious failings. Local lad, came through the ranks, did exceptionally well for a time and lost his way. Played nearly 400 times for us and banged in almost 90 goals. Not reaching the heights of many others but still quite the story and one that deserves a doff of the cap and a resounding send off. I get all that. Mark, I was talking to him a few weeks back, so I have no personal axe to grind, if anything I could be influenced by that. but I have my opinions, you have yours. Edited April 27, 2018 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 28 minutes ago, TRO said: Fair Comment No,......but I would turn up. I accept all what you say.....my problem is I have never rated him like some have and for me the whole situation has got worse not better......I am not really just basing my sentiments on his goals return alone its just watching him play, is my main downer on him, the lack of Nous in the box and intelligent movement, the inability to dribble past a player.....its was always just raw pace and not much else, sorry. FWIW Its only my thoughts and I guess i am in the minority. Yep absolutely bang on the money - which is why I have never rated him. i will also accept to being in the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 18 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: In your view. Which seems to be the only opinion which you can see. It's like you've ignored the rest of my post, or are unable to understand it. No point, good day. That's a little rude and yes of course I understand - what you don't realise is your just saying the same as me but for your own era. As for Gabby and Vassell being legends I'm sorry I must take you to task again. very quick, very limited - maybe I am just a little luckier than you having seen the players I have, but I can assure you that they are head and shoulders above anyone on your list - which I must admit in the main is a very lmpressive list that you have complied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 29 minutes ago, Paddywhack said: It's because he put Carew twice. Because he's bigger than me and you, he counts as two. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 27, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted April 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, Dave J said: maybe I am just a little luckier than you having seen the players I have, Congrats on proving @lapal_fan‘s point 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggy_333 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, Dave J said: That's a little rude and yes of course I understand - what you don't realise is your just saying the same as me but for your own era. As for Gabby and Vassell being legends I'm sorry I must take you to task again. very quick, very limited - maybe I am just a little luckier than you having seen the players I have, but I can assure you that they are head and shoulders above anyone on your list - which I must admit in the main is a very lmpressive list that you have complied You seem to have ignored the part where he says they're HIS legends. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Dave J said: That's a little rude and yes of course I understand - what you don't realise is your just saying the same as me but for your own era. As for Gabby and Vassell being legends I'm sorry I must take you to task again. very quick, very limited - maybe I am just a little luckier than you having seen the players I have, but I can assure you that they are head and shoulders above anyone on your list - which I must admit in the main is a very lmpressive list that you have complied Vassell was the weird one, but I liked him because he worked bloody hard and he scored a wonder goal against holland. I understand what you're saying. But I still don't think you understand what I am saying. You have called other people's opinions (paraphrasing) "wrong" because they don't match YOUR criteria. (just seen other people make my point.) Edited April 27, 2018 by lapal_fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Congrats on proving @lapal_fan‘s point That makes absolutely no flaming sense at all - legends are legends because of their ability not their era - get with the programme - Andy Lochhead is a club legend, Bruce Ricoh, John Gidman, Alex Cropley shall I go on ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 27, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted April 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Dave J said: That makes absolutely no flaming sense at all - legends are legends because of their ability not their era - get with the programme - Andy Lochhead is a club legend, Bruce Ricoh, John Gidman, Alex Cropley shall I go on ? You’re still proving his point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 31 minutes ago, dounavilla said: Because he's bigger than me and you, he counts as two. It's the song innit? John Carew, Carew.. I thought that was his name!!! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: You’re still proving his point. I think you are just trying to be clever now Stevo - if you don't get it fair enough Stevo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 27, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted April 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dave J said: I think you are just trying to be clever now Stevo - if you don't get it fair enough Stevo No I get it. I assume you don’t or you wouldn’t just be proving Lapal’s point over and over again. I’d try to explain it to you, but I’ve learned by now that trying to explain anything to you will result in you ignoring it completely. Lapal’s OP to you explains it pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 27, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 hour ago, lapal_fan said: It's like you've ignored the rest of my post, or are unable to understand it. He does that a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rodders0223 Posted April 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2018 Actually makes it hit home, actually. The real end of an era for good and for bad. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Man, that actually got me going a bit We had some really great times from 2007-2010. Like Gabby said, such a shame we didn't win any trophies or get 4th even just once. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 hope he gets 5 mins before the end of the regular season to say bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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