Recircle Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 would anyone take martinez now? It's all academic. Villa requested permission to talk to him last summer. Martinez didn't want to leave Wigan, and turned down the opportunity to discuss a move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 People didnt want Martinez or Mclaren because they, (for some reason) think we are far too good for all of them. People wanted MON gone because they thought we should be aiming higher. Id like to know what part of the largely unsuccessful last 30, no lets be truthful, 100 years people were basing this on because they were undoubtedly wrong. Every time I see the calmness of Martinez I regret that he s not our manager. The man I wanted. your 3rd point will open a can of worms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bose Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 The big question is how did Lerner go from someone like Martinez (plays football) to someone like McLeish (does not play football)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted April 11, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted April 11, 2012 The big question is how did Lerner go from someone like Martinez (plays football) to someone like McLeish (does not play football)? That's easy, football never came into it. Randy hasnt a clue about football. It was purely based on the finances they would work under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 I found this a good read: http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/04/11/aston-villa-reader-s-letter-calls-for-alex-mcleish-to-resign-97319-30737517/ Not sure if already posted, if so i humbly beg your forgiveness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpabloangel18 Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Better question is - MON to Houllier to Martinez to McLeish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 People didnt want Martinez or Mclaren because they, (for some reason) think we are far too good for all of them. People wanted MON gone because they thought we should be aiming higher. Id like to know what part of the largely unsuccessful last 30, no lets be truthful, 100 years people were basing this on because they were undoubtedly wrong. Every time I see the calmness of Martinez I regret that he s not our manager. The man I wanted. your 3rd point will open a can of worms Because people are so in denial. Swinging from the North Stand gates shouting 'No" to McLaren coming. A man whos won more in the last few years than we have this century. A man whos won as much as we have in the last 30 years. I dont understand where people get this nonsense from that we are this big succesful club with the choice of a host of top managers wanting the job. Its madness. Leicester City have won more this century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted April 11, 2012 Moderator Share Posted April 11, 2012 [ Because people are so in denial. Swinging from the North Stand gates shouting 'No" to McLaren coming. A man whos won more in the last few years than we have this century. A man whos won as much as we have in the last 30 years. I dont understand where people get this nonsense from that we are this big succesful club with the choice of a host of top managers wanting the job. Its madness. Leicester City have won more this century. Yeah because McLaren did a tip top job at Forest. Trust me I'm surrounded by Forest fans, I saw plenty of their games he was a disaster. Yes he won a League Cup well so has Kenny Dalgiesh and so did Alex McLeish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 I've refined my poster, can we get these printed and pinned up around Villa Park? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 A man whos won as much as we have in the last 30 years. In English football? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KjParton Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Our only hope now is to cross our fingers and hope results go our way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papillon Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Because people are so in denial. Swinging from the North Stand gates shouting 'No" to McLaren coming. A man whos won more in the last few years than we have this century. A man whos won as much as we have in the last 30 years. I dont understand where people get this nonsense from that we are this big succesful club with the choice of a host of top managers wanting the job. Its madness. Leicester City have won more this century. Absolute nonsense. Alex McLeish won the Carling Cup last season but who cares about that? McClaren is a very poor manager, no wonder why he is at Twente and not in England where he wants to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Our only hope now is to cross our fingers and hope results go our way. And you have just unlocked the secret formula that McLeish's management style is based upon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Because people are so in denial. Swinging from the North Stand gates shouting 'No" to McLaren coming. A man whos won more in the last few years than we have this century. A man whos won as much as we have in the last 30 years. I dont understand where people get this nonsense from that we are this big succesful club with the choice of a host of top managers wanting the job. Its madness. Leicester City have won more this century. Absolute nonsense. Alex McLeish won the Carling Cup last season but who cares about that? McClaren is a very poor manager, no wonder why he is at Twente and not in England where he wants to be. And for the last 2 years and for basically 50% of the last decade, have we not been a very poor prem team? Not saying Mclarens good - just not deluding myself that were that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted April 11, 2012 Moderator Share Posted April 11, 2012 I think you are barking up the wrong tree Woody, we aren't that good but McLaren wasn't good enough so people were right. Look how he did at Forest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 People didnt want Martinez or Mclaren because they, (for some reason) think we are far too good for all of them. People wanted MON gone because they thought we should be aiming higher. Id like to know what part of the largely unsuccessful last 30, no lets be truthful, 100 years people were basing this on because they were undoubtedly wrong. Every time I see the calmness of Martinez I regret that he s not our manager. The man I wanted. your 3rd point will open a can of worms Because people are so in denial. Swinging from the North Stand gates shouting 'No" to McLaren coming. A man whos won more in the last few years than we have this century. A man whos won as much as we have in the last 30 years. I dont understand where people get this nonsense from that we are this big succesful club with the choice of a host of top managers wanting the job. Its madness. Leicester City have won more this century. No offence but are you Alex McLeish? If you keep telling yourself you are not something big or something special then you will become something not very good and mediocre. Even Alex Ferguson has been known to call us a big club and look what he has won in the last thirty years! If Man Utd won nothing for the next 30 years would people say they are not a big club? Of course they wouldn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 A manager that very few people want, playing football that nobody enjoys watching, getting results that are endangering the clubs future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 I think you are barking up the wrong tree Woody, we aren't that good but McLaren wasn't good enough so people were right. Look how he did at Forest! Whilst Im not necessarily saying Mclaren would have been my choice - taking everything into account, I dont think wed be in this mess with him in charge. That said, my main point is that whilst a large majority of fans are under this mad delusion that we are this 'great' club, we will never recognise when we actually have something 'good'. Now Im not suggesting that the fans being a little more realistic in ambition would have meant Mcliesh would have not become manager. However, if the supporters are more realistic with the status of AVFC then we may not be so dissapointed with inevitable outcomes. By that I mean when Martinez and McLaren didnt become manager, it was always going to be the case that someone even worse would get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted April 11, 2012 Moderator Share Posted April 11, 2012 Whilst Im not necessarily saying Mclaren would have been my choice - taking everything into account, I dont think wed be in this mess with him in charge. You haven't followed Forest's fortunes this season have you? Take a look at their performance under McLaren before he lost his job and you might revise this view. That said, my main point is that whilst a large majority of fans are under this mad delusion that we are this 'great' club, we will never recognise when we actually have something 'good'. Your basic point was wrong, the fans were right when they said McLaren wasn't good enough, they were right when they said McLeish wasn't good enough. Sadly we are run by an idiot and his lap dog. Now Im not suggesting that the fans being a little more realistic in ambition would have meant Mcliesh would have not become manager. However, if the supporters are more realistic with the status of AVFC then we may not be so dissapointed with inevitable outcomes. Sorry I've literally no idea what you are on about, I don't think us fighting relegation is inevitable in fact I think it could have easily been avoided. We are better than this, we are better than McLeish that doesn't mean I expect CL football but I don't expect us to be praying for other teams to lose to keep us up. By that I mean when Martinez and McLaren didnt become manager, it was always going to be the case that someone even worse would get it. So we should have been happy with McLaren? Sorry, I like you as a poster but I think you are talking nonsense this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-67 Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 i DON'T THINK vILLA HAVE THE STOMACH FOR A FIGHT. gOD HELP US IF WE SLIP IN TO THE BOTTOM THREE. tHE PLAYERS WILL FEEL SO SORRY FOR THEMSELVES THAT THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PLAY THEIR WAY OUT OF IT. wE HAVE WON JUST 7 GAMES ALL SEASON, THE OTHER TEAMS AROUND US SEEM TO BATTLE AND SCRAP FOR POINTS, WINS PARTICULARLY. I cannot see Villa winning agains this season. (Sorry about caps lock, can't be bothered to change it!!). MCLEISH OUT!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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