Pelle Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 CM is a priority in january or the summer we need strengthening badly Defensive midfield is the priority.. We have loads of CM but they all specialise in attack and creating, rather than defensive ability. Judging Ireland, Delph, Bannan as defensive players is wrong because they ALL like the freedom to go forward..They are creative and attack minded midfield players. What we lack in our squad is the physical strength of a disciplined defensive minded player that can sit in behind these players and "allow" them to express their strengths. Petrov is very poor in this role because he is lacking is so many of the defensive qualities that are needed. For a start he tires too easily and not mobile enough to close down, his timing in the tackle isnt great, his strength and presence also arnt great. Just to clarify, all those attributes that you say he doesn't have, he has. He doesn't get tired after 60 or 70 minutes, he closes down very well, he has good tackles, he is strong and he has a very good presence. He isn't very mobile, no, but he's got the brain instead. He's slow too, but he doesn't have to be that fast that often either. As said, he's not played by 3 consecutive Villa managers cause he's bad. Nor isn't he replaced by new additions because they think he must be replaced as he isn't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Delph - The fact is the last time he had a full footballing season he was playing League One football. He is now playing regularly in the premiership, which is a great thing, but we need to let him be inconsistant this year and get off his back. Cleverely and Wellbeck had the opportunity to have a learning season at lower clubs, but we haven't chosen to do this so lets stick by him. Look at MOM voting on VT for the first few games, he was top 2. Petrov - its been mentioned before, he's experienced and undervalued by some fans. His form dipped when Houillier come in but has been great this season. Some people churn out the same old drivel, passes sideways, tired after 60mins. There was a guy next to me in the Holte who cock on 60 mins starts shouting Petrov is tired every game.... makes me cringe. We really need to focus on the inconsistances of Bannan (form will dip soon naturally) / Delph / Albrighton / Ireland (no excuses) / NZogbia (no excuses) before we start viewing Petrov A-****-men. Some of the stick Petrov cops is laughable/disgraceful. •He wrote the first draft of Hitler's Final Solution. •He owns every Chris De Burgh album. •He shot down Amelia Earhart. •He erased my 60+ hour Final Fantasy VII memory card save and replaced it with level 2 of PaRappa The Rapper. •He stole the Lindbergh baby, put a wig on it and called it "Barry Bannan". •He was Jack the Ripper. •He prefers Pure Football to both FIFA and Pro Evo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 So delph's touch, passing and decision making has been poor recently because he's worried about Petrov not being good enough? What a load of shit and no surprise reading who posts these ridiculous points with little evidence to ever back it up. How's NRC helping the Bolton team right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 WG = top drawer (N'Zogbia,Albrighton) Good god above! FWIW, I didnt agree with any of your post, but that is just one ridiculous statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderstudy Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I'm not a "Petrov fan". I've been very critical of him in the past, particularly last year away at Bolton, he came on and made us far worse. However, this season he has been one of our best performers. And over time at Villa, he has been one of our most consistent performers. Lay off his back, Jeez. He's playing well, got fire in his belly, and is shooting rather more accurately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 He owns every Chris De Burgh album he does deserve stick for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlston Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Problem with Delph is recently he is giving the ball away and IMO this has nothing to do with where he is playing, it is just simple stuff.Bingo. This idea that Delph is looking bad because he's having to play holding DM to support Stan's roaming role seems to be gaining traction. It doesn't explain why Delph is so unreliable in possession, which is the main reason he's been a disappointment so far. Watch the Wigan game and see how many positive moves break down with a shoddy pass or decision from Delph - there's like 4 in the first 30 minutes alone. Nothing to do with Stan. I'm not busting on Delph btw, I think he has potential, but at his current level he's alongside Zog and Hutton as one of our least effective players. Hmmm Delph 108 passes, 26 misplaced, 24.1% misplaced Petrov 83 passes, 18 misplaced, 21.7% misplaced Bannan 97 passes, 33 misplaced, 34.0% misplaced This is taken from the Guardian Chalkboards for the last 3 matches, it would suggest Delph is only slightly more wasteful in possesion than Petrov and certainly better than Bannan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 It amazes me how people keep putting out this stuff about Stan. It's a fact that with him in the team we gain more points (on average) than we do with him not in the team. Because he improves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanisgod Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Just out of interest what happened to the days when you'd expect both central midfielders to play defensive and attacking roles? Why is it now essential we have one player solely focussed on defensive play and one focussed on attacking. For what its worth the only time you should ever have a defensive midfielder is when you're playing 3 in the middle as part of a midfield 5 in my opinion. Petrov is a valuable player, and a well respected Captain (by the players at least), yes he could be replaced by somebody better but that person is not currently playing for our club on current form. He was criticised for bein MoN's pet but since then 3 other managers have continued to pick him including the hallowed football genius that is Houllier, so he muct be at the very least an ok player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laivasse Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Hmmm Delph 108 passes, 26 misplaced, 24.1% misplaced Petrov 83 passes, 18 misplaced, 21.7% misplaced Bannan 97 passes, 33 misplaced, 34.0% misplaced This is taken from the Guardian Chalkboards for the last 3 matches, it would suggest Delph is only slightly more wasteful in possesion than Petrov and certainly better than Bannan.Bannan is indeed wasteful and hurried with some of his passing, that's a weakness he needs to grow out of his game. He's played a few people into trouble in the games before Wigan, iirc. The stats don't tell the whole story though, since it depends on what type of pass goes astray. Bannan does a lot of deep crossing into the box, which is more likely and forgivable to end up as an incomplete pass. He couples his wastefulness with genuine threatening creative play. Petrov - stats wise, maybe the last 3 games have been uncharacteristically bad for his passing, but all I know is he's one of the players I least expect to give away possession. In comparison, often when Delph has given it away so far it's been short passes or in situations of little pressure, and he hasn't made amends with any impressive attacking play that I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunRickyRun Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 It amazes me how people keep putting out this stuff about Stan. It's a fact that with him in the team we gain more points (on average) than we do with him not in the team. Because he improves it. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Just out of interest what happened to the days when you'd expect both central midfielders to play defensive and attacking roles? Its a farce that midfielders are not designed to do both these days. I remember a few years ago John Giles went on a rant about attacking midfielders today would being poor in the 70s like Riquelme as they never tracked back. last top team to employ this system was Man Utd with Scholes and Keane not afraid to defend and attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 5, 2011 Moderator Share Posted October 5, 2011 Just out of interest what happened to the days when you'd expect both central midfielders to play defensive and attacking roles? Its a farce that midfielders are not designed to do both these days. I remember a few years ago John Giles went on a rant about attacking midfielders today would being poor in the 70s like Riquelme as they never tracked back. last top team to employ this system was Man Utd with Scholes and Keane not afraid to defend and attack. Petrov's been doing both all season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 he said both players in the midfield attacking and defending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 But the point is Stan is doing both and yet still gets criticised. While Delph is doing neither and getting defended and apparently it's Stan's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 But the point is Stan is doing both and yet still gets criticised. While Delph is doing neither and getting defended and apparently it's Stan's fault well i havent been one to praise Delph for his poor performances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Nope, I know you haven't. Hopefully Jenas will be starting next to Petrov when fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 that could be interesting partnership as Jenas has a good engine though he seems to be injury prone last few years might have took away his dynamism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoD Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Just out of interest what happened to the days when you'd expect both central midfielders to play defensive and attacking roles? Its a farce that midfielders are not designed to do both these days. I remember a few years ago John Giles went on a rant about attacking midfielders today would being poor in the 70s like Riquelme as they never tracked back. last top team to employ this system was Man Utd with Scholes and Keane not afraid to defend and attack. Man Utd are currently doing it again, where Anderson, Carrick and Cleverly are all told to get forward and defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Just out of interest what happened to the days when you'd expect both central midfielders to play defensive and attacking roles? Its a farce that midfielders are not designed to do both these days. I remember a few years ago John Giles went on a rant about attacking midfielders today would being poor in the 70s like Riquelme as they never tracked back. last top team to employ this system was Man Utd with Scholes and Keane not afraid to defend and attack. Man Utd are currently doing it again, where Anderson, Carrick and Cleverly are all told to get forward and defend. Thing is that teams like United keep possession so their midfielders doesn't have to chase the ball all the time like our players do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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