briny_ear Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Id say theres more people than just me and Stevie wonder who realise Petrov is shite.Yeh, Dennis Mortimer is with you too, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tismyk Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Id say theres more people than just me and Stevie wonder who realise Petrov is shite. i`m not one of them and i`d bet i have seen him play a lot more than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_The_Villan Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 i`m not one of them Well done. i`d bet i have seen him play a lot more than you ...and well done again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaknchips Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Im not saying he is shite. I just think he is a weakness in the team that will need attention if we are looking to progress. DM and RB are the 2 main areas where we could vastly improve on for next season. Neither player are good enough or strong enough if we want to mount a challenge for European places. Delph would be a far better player with a stronger defensive midfielder alongside him. But atm he is having to sit too deep because Petrov isnt strong enough, or mobile enough to command that area in our team. He is far too easy for the opposition to play against. His pressence in the team isnt strong enough, he dosnt have enough drive on the ball, he cant cover enough ground and he makes too many clumsy late challenges..We could do better, ie Newcastle got Tiote for less than 4m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanky Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Im not saying he is shite. I just think he is a weakness in the team that will need attention if we are looking to progress. DM and RB are the 2 main areas where we could vastly improve on for next season. Neither player are good enough or strong enough if we want to mount a challenge for European places. Delph would be a far better player with a stronger defensive midfielder alongside him. But atm he is having to sit too deep because Petrov isnt strong enough, or mobile enough to command that area in our team. He is far too easy for the opposition to play against. His pressence in the team isnt strong enough, he dosnt have enough drive on the ball, he cant cover enough ground and he makes too many clumsy late challenges..We could do better, ie Newcastle got Tiote for less than 4m. In principle I agree. The whole central midfield needs looking at at the end of this year if not January. Petrov is doing a good job but like Lampard at Chelsea (and no I'm not saying Petrov is or was ever as good), there is coming a time where we will need to pick and choose his games. Problem with Delph is recently he is giving the ball away and IMO this has nothing to do with where he is playing, it is just simple stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laivasse Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Problem with Delph is recently he is giving the ball away and IMO this has nothing to do with where he is playing, it is just simple stuff.Bingo. This idea that Delph is looking bad because he's having to play holding DM to support Stan's roaming role seems to be gaining traction. It doesn't explain why Delph is so unreliable in possession, which is the main reason he's been a disappointment so far. Watch the Wigan game and see how many positive moves break down with a shoddy pass or decision from Delph - there's like 4 in the first 30 minutes alone. Nothing to do with Stan. I'm not busting on Delph btw, I think he has potential, but at his current level he's alongside Zog and Hutton as one of our least effective players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Problem with Delph is recently he is giving the ball away and IMO this has nothing to do with where he is playing, it is just simple stuff. Bingo. This idea that Delph is looking bad because he's having to play holding DM to support Stan's roaming role seems to be gaining traction. It doesn't explain why Delph is so unreliable in possession, which is the main reason he's been a disappointment so far. Watch the Wigan game and see how many positive moves break down with a shoddy pass or decision from Delph - there's like 4 in the first 30 minutes alone. Nothing to do with Stan. I'm not busting on Delph btw, I think he has potential, but at his current level he's alongside Zog and Hutton as one of our least effective players. I disagree. I will admit that his passing is a little off and THAT is not directly due to the change in position. However, I think his game has been thrown off by the change in position. He is not playing where he is comfortable. He has never been a DCM'er - for Leeds he was a left midfielder or box to box CM'er from what I have seen. Switching him back has upset his confidence, I believe, and this is having a knock on effect in other areas of his game which you would normally expect to be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Wasn't he essentially playing on the left of a diamond against Wigan though? And he was **** awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaknchips Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Delph will never shine in midfield whilst Petrov is in the team. Petrov is not a player you can rely on defensively and that will always play on the mind of whomever he playing alongside. Had Petrov been sold this summer and Reo stayed on, I would think Delph would have been a far better player, he could roam forward more freely knowing a more mobile player is sitting back. For the club to move forward and start dominating games in the middle we need to invest in a replacement for Petrov. The priority would have to be physical pressence, tackling ability, closing down, very mobile and strong. The flair and creativity wouldnt be much an issue as such because players like Bannan, Ireland, Gardner and Delph are plentiful in or squad...Its physical pressence and strength where we lack in the middle..The opposition teams can easily dominate our midfield and its a main reason McLeish likes to pick Heskey and for us to play deep as a team.. Once a replacement is sought we could look a completely different outfit altogether. When you look at our squad as a whole; GK = top drawer (Given) CD = top drawer (Cuellar,Dunne,Clark) RB = weak (Hutton, Herd, Lichaj) LB = weak (Warnock, Baker) DM = "weakest" (Petrov) CM = top drawer (Gardner,Delph) AM = top drawer (Ireland, Bannan) WG = top drawer (N'Zogbia,Albrighton) FW = top drawer (Gabby, Bent) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_The_Villan Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Delph will never shine in midfield whilst Petrov is in the team. Petrov is not a player you can rely on defensively and that will always play on the mind of whomever he playing alongside. Had Petrov been sold this summer and Reo stayed on, I would think Delph would have been a far better player, he could roam forward more freely knowing a more mobile player is sitting back. You are spot on there steaknchips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Not sure how you can say Garder is top draw and Petrov is weak when Gardner hasnt even played in the Prem yet and Petrov has 162 Premier League starts under his belt? :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Couldnt possibly agree with any post that describes Petrov as "Weakest" whilst proclaiming Delph, NZogbia and Gardner to be "Top Drawer". We're talking about a stallwart of our team, former player of the year and captain of our club, as opposed to 3 individuals who have yet to string together 3 good performances for the first team between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaknchips Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Not sure how you can say Garder is top draw and Petrov is weak when Gardner hasnt even played in the Prem yet and Petrov has 162 Premier League starts under his belt? :? Petrov has no challengers for his position in the squad. The comparison with Gardner is null and void because they are different players. Petrov is weak because he plays as our DM in the team and he isnt good enough..The position Gardner would play is where we are strong in the squad.. Position v position is where I look...Not player v player. AM/CM = we are strong both in experience and young players with huge potential. DM = we are weak in BOTH experience and in young potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelle Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Anyone who claims that Petrov is our weakest player hasn't understood one bit of the work he does. One of our most important playersand he's in form. Delph is out of form, no one to blame. And Petrov least of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 DM is a priority in january or the summer we need strengthening badly We need an enforcer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoD Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Delph will never shine in midfield whilst Petrov is in the team. Petrov is not a player you can rely on defensively and that will always play on the mind of whomever he playing alongside. Have you already forgotten that Milner was brilliant with Petrov next to him. He didn't look like a player that didn't think Petrov could handle his job defensively. Also Delph has looked poor because his first touch has let him down, he dwells on the ball and has given the ball away in dangerous positions. Can we stop trying to blame other people for this. I am confident he will get better but his poor start is down to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaknchips Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 CM is a priority in january or the summer we need strengthening badly Defensive midfield is the priority.. We have loads of CM but they all specialise in attack and creating, rather than defensive ability. Judging Ireland, Delph, Bannan as defensive players is wrong because they ALL like the freedom to go forward..They are creative and attack minded midfield players. What we lack in our squad is the physical strength of a disciplined defensive minded player that can sit in behind these players and "allow" them to express their strengths. Petrov is very poor in this role because he is lacking is so many of the defensive qualities that are needed. For a start he tires too easily and not mobile enough to close down, his timing in the tackle isnt great, his strength and presence also arnt great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philgetaway Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 When you look at our squad as a whole; GK = top drawer (Given) CD = top drawer (Cuellar,Dunne,Clark) RB = weak (Hutton, Herd, Lichaj) LB = weak (Warnock, Baker) DM = "weakest" (Petrov) CM = top drawer (Gardner,Delph) AM = top drawer (Ireland, Bannan) WG = top drawer (N'Zogbia,Albrighton) FW = top drawer (Gabby, Bent) Pertov Weak but Gardner and Delph top drawer?? Please. Gardner has yet to play, and whilst he seems promising his stock has gone through the roof on these boards based on reserve performances (a league we often win every season and beat Arsenal 9-1) and a cameo against Chelsea in HK. I genuinly hope he is a good player but people need to chill out. Delph - The fact is the last time he had a full footballing season he was playing League One football. He is now playing regularly in the premiership, which is a great thing, but we need to let him be inconsistant this year and get off his back. Cleverely and Wellbeck had the opportunity to have a learning season at lower clubs, but we haven't chosen to do this so lets stick by him. Look at MOM voting on VT for the first few games, he was top 2. Petrov - its been mentioned before, he's experienced and undervalued by some fans. His form dipped when Houillier come in but has been great this season. Some people churn out the same old drivel, passes sideways, tired after 60mins. There was a guy next to me in the Holte who cock on 60 mins starts shouting Petrov is tired every game.... makes me cringe. We really need to focus on the inconsistances of Bannan (form will dip soon naturally) / Delph / Albrighton / Ireland (no excuses) / NZogbia (no excuses) before we start viewing Petrov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaknchips Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Delph will never shine in midfield whilst Petrov is in the team. Petrov is not a player you can rely on defensively and that will always play on the mind of whomever he playing alongside. Have you already forgotten that Milner was brilliant with Petrov next to him. He didn't look like a player that didn't think Petrov could handle his job defensively. Also Delph has looked poor because his first touch has let him down, he dwells on the ball and has given the ball away in dangerous positions. Can we stop trying to blame other people for this. I am confident he will get better but his poor start is down to him. We finished 6th in Milner's last season. And scored less goals than any of the "top 8" clubs.. This was because Milner did a hell of alot of running for the team both defensively( to help out an ever tiring Petrov) and in attack..Had we got a player that could manage the defensive duties a bit better than Petrov, I think Milner could have used alot more of his energy in a forward thinking way. Hence being able to create and score ALOT more goals and chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I think Milner could have used alot more of his energy in a forward thinking way. Hence being able to create and score ALOT more goals and chances Had Milner created/scored a lot more goals that year, it would have gone down as the best season by a central midfielder, ever. He was already the best CM in the league that year outside the top 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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