TRO Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 "Consistency" is not a fanciful attribute. Its Essential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 I note the 'on loan' tag to this thread. Is this wishful thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 (edited) . Edited August 8, 2016 by brommy double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 We need to be more ruthless. There is too much of ``give him a few more games'' and ``he will come good''. Gardner and Westwood have had ample time and chances - neither is up to it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 11 hours ago, dounavilla said: was he really very good at Forest last season ? No. Complete myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 (edited) 11 minutes ago, AntrimBlack said: We need to be more ruthless. There is too much of ``give him a few more games'' and ``he will come good''. Gardner and Westwood have had ample time and chances - neither is up to it. I think this (" tough and mean" not to be confused with nasty ,but decisive) approach needs to be employed throughout the club, to change the culture. Its not a case of picking on certain players its about setting standards for them to reach. Ron Saunders would just ignore players, if they didn't do it for him ( different times I know) I remember Bobby McDonald telling me and calling Andy Gray over to verify it. He said to me he doesn't speak to me.... does he Andy?.....Andy replied No. I said why Bob, He said I guess he don't fancy me as a player. Ron Was fixed in his mind what he wanted and nothing less. Edited August 8, 2016 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 (edited) From what I've read he had some very good games, was in the team of the week etc a few times and obviously scored a few nice goals. He also had some very average to poor games along the lines of yesterday I'd imagine. Edited August 8, 2016 by villaglint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Happy for him to be a squad player and used in a 3 man midfield. As a mainstay in a 2 man midfield, no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Shared sentiment here, squad member yes, but not a starter until he shows he's worthy. But we certainly need more fire in midfield than Gardner and Westwood (and Bacuna) - I am sure its on RDM's agenda but we will get walked through again, and create little if this is not resolved soon. One area from Last season which has not been corrected yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Woodytom said: No. Complete myth. How many Forest games did you see last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 28 minutes ago, a m ole said: How many Forest games did you see last season? About 22. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 6 hours ago, Woodytom said: No. Complete myth. First spell they loved him. I am not sure whether he was really good or they just had a lot of shit before him to be honest. I know we have had shit but failing to mount a genuine promotion push for the best part of a decade is a different kind of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 He played well for forest in parts. That's it basically. He was good at times, poor at others. Certainly not the star. Given that they are a pretty woeful side, it really isn't anything to shout about. It certainly shouldn't be reason to support belief that he should be in a side that should be challenging for the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Forest fans were absolutely devastated when we got relegated, because they knew it diminished their chances of signing Gardner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 7 hours ago, AntrimBlack said: We need to be more ruthless. There is too much of ``give him a few more games'' and ``he will come good''. Gardner and Westwood have had ample time and chances - neither is up to it. I wouldn't say Gardner has had ample chances. He's barely played for us. I'm willing to give him a bit more time but there is no way he and Westwood should start together. Too powder puff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 8 hours ago, villa89 said: The first time I have seen him start for Villa. Based on yesterday's performance I never want to see it again. wasnt it his 1st ever start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 1 hour ago, useless said: Forest fans were absolutely devastated when we got relegated, because they knew it diminished their chances of signing Gardner. Some villa fans thought westwood would replace Carrick at manure. They were full of shit too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Gardner playing well for Forest actually happened. Westwood replacing Carrick was speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 28 minutes ago, useless said: Gardner playing well for Forest actually happened. Westwood replacing Carrick was speculation. My point was that fans are quick to overate players.... based on very little. There's a big difference between playing well for forest (which he did) and the justification of forest fans being gutted when we got relegated. There is no doubt, that we should not be relying on somebody like gardner just because he's played well on occasions for forest. He really isn't at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 We shouldn't be relying on him, we obviously need another three midfielders, but I wouldn't write him off just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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