blandy Posted November 25, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 25, 2021 Just now, HanoiVillan said: My point is that it's absolutely galling for this man to constantly cash his Murdoch cheques on the one hand, while doing a so-sad-isn't-it-terrible face on the other. I don't have to like the ****, and I don't. Ok. Me either 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 minute ago, blandy said: Ok. Me either To be less emotional and more rational about it, my basic feeling is that any discussion of why 'mainstream politics' does not help with this situation which doesn't mention the media, and primarily the organisation he works for, isn't worth the paper it's written on. I appreciate that there is always a danger of blaming things on 'the media' and then assuming it's job done, and you are of course right that there are many many many people who just have very horrible opinions about this topic and they wouldn't all change their minds if News International disappeared tomorrow, but on this topic *especially* we do live in a world which decades of relentless demonisation of asylum seekers through the print media (and now increasingly the BBC) has made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 25, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: we do live in a world which decades of relentless demonisation of asylum seekers through the print media Largely the Express and Daily Mail to be fair. Obviously the Sun is horrible too. I’m not so sure beyond that, for the UK press. I’ve not noticed the BBC demonising asylum seekers, though I don’t really watch BBC news, just get the odd 2 minute radio bulletins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I tend to think BBC News occasionally appears racist, transphobic, homophobic and all the other phobics purely on the basis that it's their one job to reflect the people and the government of the time. They are not here to critique, nor should we expect them to. Just report. If everything seems shit then I know it's because it probably is shit Although there are of course times when even that seems beyond them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Just now, blandy said: Largely the Express and Daily Mail to be fair. Obviously the Sun is horrible too. I’m not so sure beyond that, for the UK press. I’ve not noticed the BBC demonising asylum seekers, though I don’t really watch BBC news, just get the odd 2 minute radio bulletins. The Sun have a long and bad track record on this topic, and The Times are not much better; that cartoon was from them, and frankly it's no different from a UKIP campaign poster. i of course agree that The Express and The Mail are also terrible. The Beeb have devoted a reporter to covering channel crossings, which is a completely justifiable editorial decision, but he - @SimonJonesNews - IMO tends to produce sensationalised reports which don't do enough to place the numbers in context of the scale of migration to Europe, and provides a frequently uncritical (not critical as in 'that's bad', but critical as in looking at multiple perspectives) take on tough on border crossings announcements. I suppose I should say that I don't follow everything the guy does so maybe he does better reports when I'm not watching, but I have been really unimpressed with what I've seen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 25, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: The Times are not much better; that cartoon was from them, I confess to not “getting” that Cartoon. What’s a ferry full of people got to do with Liverpool? I assume they are meant to be migrants and obviously Corbyn driving them….across the Mersey. Was it a conference in Liverpool, did he announce some kind of “soft” (in media terminology) policy on migrants? I saw a book once, or magazine maybe, full of Brookes cartoons and they were mostly superb, skewering everyone. Similar to Dave Brown in the Indie. For that reason I wouldn’t condemn the Times based on a single cartoon. I don’t buy it, but when I’ve read articles or grabbed one lying around on a train or plane or wherever it’s always seemed very non-Murdochy. The Sunday Times, is though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) On 25/11/2021 at 14:37, blandy said: I confess to not “getting” that Cartoon. What’s a ferry full of people got to do with Liverpool? I assume they are meant to be migrants and obviously Corbyn driving them….across the Mersey. Was it a conference in Liverpool, did he announce some kind of “soft” (in media terminology) policy on migrants? I saw a book once, or magazine maybe, full of Brookes cartoons and they were mostly superb, skewering everyone. Similar to Dave Brown in the Indie. For that reason I wouldn’t condemn the Times based on a single cartoon. I don’t buy it, but when I’ve read articles or grabbed one lying around on a train or plane or wherever it’s always seemed very non-Murdochy. The Sunday Times, is though. Re the ferry, I assume it's going across the Mersey for no other reason than the song of the same name. I believe it was released at a point when the press had decided that Corbyn was 'soft' on migrants (I think it was in 2016?), yes. Just on The Times and their attitude to migrants, I see that their house 'liberal Tory' columnist Matthew Parris is in it today and appears to be suggesting 're-examining' (repealing? dunno, don't have a subscription) the Geneva convention: (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/its-time-we-re-examined-our-obligation-to-refugees-pdq5xzcfg) Edited November 27, 2021 by HanoiVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 So, to be clear, they’re our fish, but someone else’s refugees? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StanBalaban Posted January 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2022 Hadn't seen this before, but well said ol' Big Head... 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, StanBalaban said: Hadn't seen this before, but well said ol' Big Head... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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foreveryoung Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 2 hours ago, StanBalaban said: Hadn't seen this before, but well said ol' Big Head... Shame no one has the bottle to speak this way on TV or in the media anymore. How life has changed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 15, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Shame no one has the bottle to speak this way on TV or in the media anymore. How life has changed. There are plenty and probably many more people prepared to say such things publically. They just don't get the opportunity or the coverage in.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 22 minutes ago, bickster said: There are plenty and probably many more people prepared to say such things publically. They just don't get the opportunity or the coverage in.... No one of importance or the social profile Cloughy had. An there's much more opportunity now, than there was back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 15, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 15, 2022 29 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: No one of importance or the social profile Cloughy had. An there's much more opportunity now, than there was back then. There's plenty, you just need to look harder and look in the right places. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Anything big in the news at the moment? No? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 On 25/11/2021 at 11:26, HanoiVillan said: Always the most galling thing about News International is the sheer shamelessness. Here is one of their employees, burnishing his humanist credentials on the morning after dozens died attempting to cross the Channel: Hmmm, why on Earth could anyone 'in mainstream politics' feel afraid to challenge said failed strategy? Coincidentally, this cartoon appeared in David's paper a couple of years ago: Why does this fear of the topic exist? Hmm, truly a three-pipe problem eh David. Looks like their cartoonist has decided that migrants are Good Now for some reason: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post markavfc40 Posted May 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) Murdochs talktv channel has been registering no viewers during prime time broadcasts and Piers Morgan, who is being paid 50 million pound over a 3 year deal, viewing figures for his show have dipped from over 300k down to 60k. Long may it continue to struggle. Edited May 4, 2022 by markavfc40 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted September 13, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 13, 2022 For anyone wondering how it’s going for Mr Morgan, the recent current events haven’t increased viewership quite as much as I suspect he might have hoped. Very much in small heath numbers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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