villa4europe Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 1 minute ago, foreveryoung said: He did get his goal in the Iran game, people seem to forget. Rashford got 3 goals in the tournament, he is also in better PL form than him You're looking at the bench thinking who is in form? None of them really, who has a goal in them? Are you honestly picking Jack? I'm surprised he didn't throw Wilson on as that last gamble but pragmatic as ever he probably knew he'd be **** in extra time if he did that Grealish simply hasn't done enough since the euros, definitley not to start or for him to be first off the bench, he is not playing well for city, he's lucky to have made the squad, if he was a Villa player playing this badly he wouldn't have done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 15 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Rashford got 3 goals in the tournament, he is also in better PL form than him You're looking at the bench thinking who is in form? None of them really, who has a goal in them? Are you honestly picking Jack? I'm surprised he didn't throw Wilson on as that last gamble but pragmatic as ever he probably knew he'd be **** in extra time if he did that Grealish simply hasn't done enough since the euros, definitley not to start or for him to be first off the bench, he is not playing well for city, he's lucky to have made the squad, if he was a Villa player playing this badly he wouldn't have done He is having a better season than Grealish but he has not earned a place in the squad if honest, Rashford should not be in the England squad but as he is a United player he gets called up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 25 minutes ago, Zatman said: He is having a better season than Grealish but he has not earned a place in the squad if honest, Rashford should not be in the England squad but as he is a United player he gets called up He had a decent tournament to be fair. Agree with the OP that he earned the first sub role more than grealish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 31 minutes ago, JPJCB said: He had a decent tournament to be fair. Agree with the OP that he earned the first sub role more than grealish my point was he didnt really deserve to be in the squad in the first place even if he did well.. also not sure why he has got some free kick reputation as I am not sure have ever saw him score a free kick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 hours ago, villa4europe said: Nah he's had an OK couple of months Also his 2 goals vs Wales is more than Jack's ever done in an England game Apart from pushed the line up the pitch vs germany what has grealish actually done in an England shirt? So much of it is based on what we as villa fans know / think he can do... But he hasn't done any of it for a long time now... To me the clamour for Grealish to play a role that he doesn't justify for England ironically smacks of villa fans wanting their favourite to play, something Southgate is criticised for Jack's always done OK in the rare opportunities he's had for England hasn't he? I remember a few assists and a few MOTM awards as well. Bit of an odd comment considering Rashford's fk was keeper's side and his second one should have been saved as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Zatman said: my point was he didnt really deserve to be in the squad in the first place even if he did well.. also not sure why he has got some free kick reputation as I am not sure have ever saw him score a free kick But that point doesn't really make sense, does it. If he did well, which he clearly did, then picking him for the squad was a good idea, and picking someone else who is 'on form' (who?) would have probably been less successful (as it has been many times in the past). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted December 12, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 12, 2022 Not even a Manu fan would have Rashford over Grealish, completely different level of player with completely different skill sets. The game was crying out for a player who can create, if Grealish was french he would be on that pitch from the start and we would be dreading coming up against him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 48 minutes ago, tinker said: Not even a Manu fan would have Rashford over Grealish, completely different level of player with completely different skill sets. The game was crying out for a player who can create, if Grealish was french he would be on that pitch from the start and we would be dreading coming up against him. Grealish isn't showing that though is he? He made the choice to go and sit on the Man City bench rather than play football week in week out. On form, Grealish was lucky to get picked for the squad. If he doesn't move and start playing again this will be his last major tournament. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted December 12, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, picicata said: Grealish isn't showing that though is he? He made the choice to go and sit on the Man City bench rather than play football week in week out. On form, Grealish was lucky to get picked for the squad. If he doesn't move and start playing again this will be his last major tournament. Started 11 games this season, 5 in the champions League, subbed on twice in the League. How many others in our forward line have played champions League games this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Actually felt for him coming on for a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 12, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 hours ago, tinker said: Not even a Manu fan would have Rashford over Grealish This couldn't be further from the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, tinker said: Started 11 games this season, 5 in the champions League, subbed on twice in the League. How many others in our forward line have played champions League games this season? It's irrelevant how many champions league games he has played. His performances has been terrible this season. If anyone deserved to play more it was Maddison. Edited December 12, 2022 by Pinebro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, tinker said: Started 11 games this season, 5 in the champions League, subbed on twice in the League. How many others in our forward line have played champions League games this season? Yes, but who were the opposition in those 5 games/ how important were the games? The group stages of the champions league contains quite a number of sub par teams and dead rubber games. Without checking I would guess Jack has appeared in those games. Guardiola doesn't trust him. Jack got the amount of minutes on the pitch at WC that his current form deserves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 59 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Actually felt for him coming on for a minute. Me too, he was shaking his head towards the other England players as he ran on to suggest he agreed it was a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted December 12, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Genie said: Me too, he was shaking his head towards the other England players as he ran on to suggest he agreed it was a waste of time. It was wasting time , time we never had. Unbelievable decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, tinker said: It was wasting time , time we never had. Unbelievable decision. I bet he’d love to say to Southgate “what do you seriously expect me to do in 50 seconds?” Its at least 20 minutes too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 12, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 12, 2022 The only logic I can think of would be he was hoping to win a free kick in a dangerous area. But it's a bizarre tactic. The kind of player you bring on at that stage would be someone like Peter Crouch, who we obviously don't have. or chuck a defender up front so you can play direct for the last minute. A player like Grealish is a weird choice to bring on in that situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted December 12, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: The only logic I can think of would be he was hoping to win a free kick in a dangerous area. But it's a bizarre tactic. The kind of player you bring on at that stage would be someone like Peter Crouch, who we obviously don't have. or chuck a defender up front so you can play direct for the last minute. A player like Grealish is a weird choice to bring on in that situation It's the sort of thing you do when your winning to try and kill some time. Southgate, incompetence on a different level, nice guy though. Just needs more time and a few more world class players to bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I hope he enjoyed his 40 seconds of pitch time in a game that matters. He chose this path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Pinebro said: It's irrelevant how many champions league games he has played. His performances has been terrible this season. If anyone deserved to play more it was Maddison. I don't think Grealish is even capable of a 'terrible' performance is he? He's always a minimum 7/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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