Adam2003 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: I would have thought that they would have a rough idea as to who is going to take one and even the order but there would still be some sort of consultation and rejigging of it based on player feedback and feeling from the game Yeah maybe if someone said “I’m not feeling up to it gaffer” you might adjust. But demanding you go before someone else isn’t feedback is it. I doubt “he’s too young, take it off him and let me go before him” would play very well in any scenario. And no there wasn’t a ‘rough idea’ there was a written list which Southgate went and presented to the players in order of who was taking that was very clearly shown on TV. Didn’t see any of them say no. Grealish was asked if he would take #6 (a pressure penalty in itself as the first of sudden death) and he said yeah no problem. Anyway think it’s all been covered, just surprised how many people think the players would be picking themselves (not surprised by Keane of course, he knows but he’s stirring). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, kidlewis said: Jack came on four minutes into extra time and pretty sure he had about five touches of the ball. He really didn’t have an opportunity I recall a blocked shot and a backheel for Sakka . Given the minutes he had and the fact not much happens in period 2 of extra time I thought he did as well as he could of. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Okonokos Posted July 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, QldVilla said: I’m not your mother mate, do some research. What point is it that you're actually trying to make? Are you guessing that Grealish didn't want to take one? What is that based on? Because all the evidence suggests otherwise... Are you saying he doesn't have the bottle to take one? Because again the evidence suggests otherwise... 11 hours ago, Okonokos said: 14 mins 20 secs for those who need reminding. Proven he can do it in the most pressurised scenario. In what very well might have been his last kick for the club, had we lost. Is your evidence that he is not Villa's first choice taker? Is that all you've got? Well... 18/19 - Abraham was our designated taker because he's a penalty specialist. 19/20 - We only had 3 penalties all season. Grealish took one. Wesley was given one of the others to try and give him a hat trick. El Ghazi took the other and was designated penalty taker at that stage. 20/21 - Watkins started as designated penalty taker as Smith wanted his first choice striker to get goals early on in his career for us. He missed and then El Ghazi has taken over since because he has a 100% record from the penalty spot. Are you saying that every penalty we've had last season that Grealish should have disobeyed the manager's instructions and taken the ball off a player who has literally never missed from the spot? Just so he can take one himself and prove that he's got the heart for it? Is that what a captain is meant to do? Be selfish like that? Grealish actually handed the ball to El Ghazi for the 90th minute penalty against Wolves because he'd just had a load of unacceptable stick from our fans online and he wanted to give him the chance to re-build his confidence. That is what a captain does. They don't take the ball off a player whose confidence is rock bottom just to prove they can do it themselves. Are you saying he should go against manager's orders for club and country and just forcibly take one himself? Need I remind you what his manager thought the last time someone did that... And before you say otherwise, it was Southgate's decision who took them... So, back to this post... 1 hour ago, QldVilla said: What is it about people who find one instance to prove their narrative, but conveniently forget the rest of the evidence? Tell me where I've used one instance to prove my "narrative" and "conveniently forgotten the rest of the evidence". You said you're not my mother and to do some research. Well, how's my research? Still waiting for your evidence... Edited July 12, 2021 by Okonokos 38 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted July 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Okonokos said: What point is it that you're actually trying to make? Are you guessing that Grealish didn't want to take one? What is that based on? Because all the evidence suggests otherwise... Are you saying he doesn't have the bottle to take one? Because again the evidence suggests otherwise... Proven he can do it in the most pressurised scenario. In what very well might have been his last kick for the club, had we lost. Is your evidence that he is not Villa's first choice taker? Is that all you've got? Well... 18/19 - Abraham was our designated taker. 19/20 - We only had 3 penalties all season. Grealish took one. Wesley was given one of the others to try and give him a hat trick. El Ghazi took the other and was designated penalty taker at that stage. 20/21 - Watkins started as designated penalty taker as Smith wanted his first choice striker to get goals early on in his career for us. He missed and then El Ghazi has taken over since because he has a 100% record from the penalty spot. Are you saying that every penalty we've had last season that Grealish should have disobeyed the manager's instructions and taken the ball off a player who has literally never missed from the spot? Just so he can take one himself and prove that he's got the heart for it? Is that what a captain is meant to do? Be selfish like that? Grealish actually handed the ball to El Ghazi for the 90th minute penalty against Wolves because he'd just had a load of unacceptable stick from our fans online and he wanted to give him the chance to re-build his confidence. That is what a captain does. They don't take the ball off that player just to prove they can do it themselves. Are you saying he should go against manager's orders for club and country and just forcibly take one himself? Need I remind you what his manager thought the last time someone did that... And before you say otherwise, it was Southgate's decision who took them... So, back to this post... Tell me where I've used one instance to prove my "narrative" and "conveniently forgotten the rest of the evidence". You said you're not my mother and to do some research. Well, how's my research? Still waiting for your evidence... 2 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 7 hours ago, QldVilla said: That’s nice, again random stats or comments from you. Heres a tip, people are judged on their actions. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 4 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: Not really going to get drawn in to the debate around who took penalties, who decided it and who bottled it. That’s just masking over the fact that Italy deserved to win and the much bigger picture. Getting to the final and losing was the absolute worst result possible for England because Southgate will keep his job and nothing will change. We’re winning nothing under this guy. Expect much of the same at the World Cup. Boring, defensive, turgid football. When a team has 13 more shots, more shots on target than you had total, and 70% possession. You know you don't deserve the win. If spinnazola had been playing the scoreline would have been embarrassing. Had Insigne been on it tonight the scoreline would have been embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted July 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Is that Scott Hall on the end of a 'stunna' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Willard Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 El Ghazi won't be playing as many minutes this season. I wouldn't mind him stepping back up to the plate this season to penalty duties. Would help bolster his stats like Fernandes. It's all that people look at at times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Okonokos Posted July 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: When a team has 13 more shots, more shots on target than you had total, and 70% possession. You know you don't deserve the win. If spinnazola had been playing the scoreline would have been embarrassing. Had Insigne been on it tonight the scoreline would have been embarrassing. As I've been saying for the past 12 hours or so, there is literally no point analysing a penalty shootout because even the very best in the world can miss penalties. It's a lottery and no blame should be given to the 3 players who missed. The blame should absolutely be on Southgate because we were up against it from 20 mins onwards and he just let us sit back deeper and deeper without making a change. His tactics were woeful. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Follyfoot said: Is that Scott Hall on the end of a 'stunna' Indeed it is.. "Chico" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Another observation slightly less Jack orientated is that Southgate should have got everyone in a huddle while organising the pen takers. Everyone was dispersed and left to their own thoughts and conversations. Where is the team spirit in that? How can Gareth fire them up and guage who is prepared and who is less so? He shouldnt be wandering around trying to find players to talk to. I hope he addresses this in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted July 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Indeed it is.. "Chico" Say hello to the bad guy 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Anyway - for Jack - from being nowhere near the England squad a year ago to playing himself into it and becoming the only English Villa player in our long history to play in a major international final. He keeps on with the achievements even when things aren’t going quite perfectly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, birdman said: Another observation slightly less Jack orientated is that Southgate should have got everyone in a huddle while organising the pen takers. Everyone was dispersed and left to their own thoughts and conversations. Where is the team spirit in that? How can Gareth fire them up and guage who is prepared and who is less so? He shouldnt be wandering around trying to find players to talk to. I hope he addresses this in the future. Yes I noticed that too, they didn’t exactly look like a tight knit team full of focus. I agree with everything you say there apart from the last line. I hope he never gets the chance to address this in future. Time for a new manager… 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, birdman said: Yes there are two important factors here one being Jack's injury issues. It's a fact he wasn't 100 percent fit so I think limiting his game time was necessary but not to the extent Southgate has under utilised him. The other thing is its clear you aren't going to get the best out of Jack unless he is starting games. He needs to be central or at least key to the strategy of the team. He can't help unless he has the ball at his feet. Jack has been used as an impact sub but Southgate hasn't got the game plan to make that work! Southgate hasn't got the balls to take our attacking talent and build the team around that. It's all about building the team around a back line. That works until you start coming up against good teams. It's anti football and Gareth needs to learn from this. If we look at Italy. They have a player who couldn't play 90 minutes all tournament. They still started him and played him every minute they could. Southgate is a twonk. And next year we won't even get close because Germany will have a fantastic manager like Italy with mancini. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: He doesn't take penalties for Aston Villa. That's your evidence that he doesn't want the responsibility? Not that there might be better penalty takers in the squad, that it's a team game and despite occasional evidence to the contrary, he knows we're not actually Jack Grealish FC? Yeah there definitely isn't a player for Aston villa who has never missed a penalty in his career. Nope. Not one at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 I just hope to god he stays and signs a contract. had an awful weekend on top of cricket. Think Jack going would give me a summer depression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 52 minutes ago, sparrow1988 said: He has taken the team from being a laughing stock against Iceland to WC semi-finalists and Euros finalists in 5 years. I'm sure he's doing a bit more than keeping the lads' spirits up. With historically easy runs to the finals. Our bracket didn't have a team in the top 10 in Europe. And the best team we played was missing their best player. In 2018 we played Belgium twice we lost twice. We lost to a Croatia who weren't exactly lighting the world on fire and were instead getting through on 1 goal wins and penalties. Southgate shouldn't receive plaudits for this. He did the bare minimum with the opponents we faced. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: Anyway - for Jack - from being nowhere near the England squad a year ago to playing himself into it and becoming the only English Villa player in our long history to play in a major international final. He keeps on with the achievements even when things aren’t going quite perfectly. Hear hear!! In 6 weeks he has become the peoples player nationally even if not in the eyes of the England Manager. Has earnt worldwide recognition for being genuinely Englands most flair player. He is certainly one player who wont let this affect him for the worst I expect Jack to come back after a holiday with intentions to notch it up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: I take it back Madness that the manager sets the players and the order, never heard of that before And that's before you then look at the absolute insanity that is putting saka 5th I too made that mistake....but Jack has come out and disclosed the truth....He did volunteer to take one. its bad enough losing, but then having to defend a false narrative.....The pundits should know better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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