Voinjama Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Lambo does not have the quality off player's klopp has...obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 4, 2013 Moderator Share Posted November 4, 2013 We're a lot earlier into the project too. Dortmund were at our level at one point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnbull Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 We're a lot earlier into the project too. Dortmund were at our level at one point. Realise that.............. Lambo does not have the quality off player's klopp has...obviously. ...............and this too and also the fact that this ain't Germany, but I just get the feeling that PL is a bit hit and miss with his tactics(compared to Kloppe). Would absolutely love him to prove me completely wrong though, cos I love the guy as a manager even if I can't understand a word he says!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) We're a lot earlier into the project too. Dortmund were at our level at one point. And that point was more recently than people might think. They nearly went bankrupt between 2003 and 2005. They finished just three places above relegation in 2008. They appointed Klopp that summer and won the league in 2011 and 2012 despite spending less than Lambert has had since he took over at the Villa. They got Kagawa for about £300k, Lewandowski cost less than £4m. They were lucky that Gotze came through the youth system I guess, but still, Klopp is probably one of the great managerial appointments of all time when it comes to delivering success against the odds. Edited November 5, 2013 by The_Rev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chappy Posted November 5, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2013 Really enjoyed that Klopp interview. Meanwhile, at Eintracht Frankfurt vs Dortmund... (look top right) 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Hah, brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 is that you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chappy Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Nah not me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TrentVilla Posted November 6, 2013 Moderator Share Posted November 6, 2013 Great interview with Klopp, such a likeable guy I find myself becoming quite the Dortmund fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 7, 2013 Moderator Share Posted November 7, 2013 I love Klopp. It should be a verb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I think I've said this before about Klopp, but he looks like what I would have imagined a 45 year old Damon Albarn would have looked like had you asked me in 1994. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) Would love to go and see Frankfurt. My German friends say they have the best fans and that's saying something considering how good German fans are in general. Check this out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocOGKxy7onU Holte End take note. Edited November 7, 2013 by Wainy316 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Another great write-up of Dortmund and why many British people travel to their home games. Hans-Joachim Watzke, the chief executive of Borussia Dortmund, was struck by an extraordinary phenomenon when, caught up in traffic on the way to his club’s recent Bundesliga game against Hanover, he decided to get out of the car with his son and walk the last 500 metres to the Westfalenstadion. “This 500 metres must have taken about an hour to walk as I got stopped for what seemed about 250 photos,” said Watzke, recalling a great time mingling with the usual 80,000 fans. “And the amazing thing was that I think about 10 per cent of those who asked for photos were English guys. “It made me realise just how many English people were going to the stadium. My son told me, ‘It’s marvellous; they’re all speaking English’. It was very surprising for me but they all told me it was because of wonderful atmosphere and wonderful prices.” This is the Borussia experience they fly hundreds of mile to relish. On Wednesday night Arsenal will bring 3,300 fans to watch their Champions League clash but a British invasion is nothing new. At every Dortmund home match, 800-1,000 fans will usually have made the trip from Britain. Why? Because, according to Watzke, they are attracted by the unique ambience of one of Europe’s last great romantic clubs, where the tickets – and beer – are cheap, the fans are put first and an extraordinary throwback feel, full of raw passion and energy at the best attended club in the world, can perhaps make them remember something that British football has mislaid. “I think the English have the deepest feeling for football, a little bit more of a romantic feeling than in Italy, so I think that maybe they think there is something missing in English football, that the English clubs have lost a bit of a feeling,” says Watzke. “Not necessarily just in London, but maybe in Newcastle or other cities. That’s the great difficulty they face. They’re not as in touch with the heart as over here.” It is a big claim that should concern and wound England’s fat cats, even if Watzke will not criticise Premier League clubs. “They have been very successful; I’m not the guy who has to tell them what they have to do and they must go their way. But we go our way.” And an extraordinarily persuasive way it looks. Compare, for instance, tonight’s opponents, two of the most attractive teams and best run clubs in their respective leagues. Staggeringly, Arsenal, according to Watzke, make 45 times as much revenue from their home match days as Dortmund yet their cheapest season ticket is about twice as dear as Borussia’s most expensive. A season ticket for Dortmund’s famed Sudtribune, to savour one of football’s great experiences on the “Yellow Wall”, Europe’s biggest stadium terrace, alongside 25,000 bouncing fans costs just €190 (£160). Arsenal’s cheapest seat costs £985. Carsten Cramer, Dortmund’s marketing director, suggests the British fan invasion over the past couple of years can partly be explained because of the cost of budget air travel and a ticket, whose price includes free public transport, can work out cheaper than a day out at some London clubs. Borussia could rake in many millions more on match day but choose not to. “We would lose credibility, we would lose loyalty, we would lose the bonding force with the fans. And that would cost us,” says Cramer. “For instance, our caterers asked to increase the price of half a litre of beer from €3.70 [£3.11] to €3.80 [£3.19] and we said that extra 10 cents doesn’t make the difference, why should we increase it? It doesn’t satisfy our people.” As Watzke explains, the Dortmund philosophy must be that “no fan of Borussia Dortmund has a feeling that he is a client. German fans don’t want to feel like a spectator going to the theatre or the opera. They want to feel part of the whole. They bill themselves, with no false modesty, as “Europe’s hottest club”, and they might be right as on and off the field they flourish spectacularly. In nine years since helping rescue the club from near-bankruptcy, Watzke has masterminded their path to a Champions League final last year and two Bundesliga titles in the past three seasons under Jürgen Klopp, a coach he feels is the world’s best. All achieved on a shoestring, relative to their major European rivals, too. “We have not so much money,” says Watzke. “A transfer budget of €67 million [£56 million] – I think Stoke City has the same – and so we must be very, very sure that every euro of our investment comes back. And for that Jürgen is very important because we must have a coach that makes every player better.” In a way, Dortmund, with their 55,000 season ticket holders and 95,000 club members, epitomise the flourishing health of German football. The Bundesliga’s “50 plus one” rule which ensures the club is controlled by those members means that no foreign investor could ever take over anyway but Watzke emphasises the point, saying: “If an Arabian or a Russian phones me [to try to buy the club], I think the conversation will last 20 seconds. "I will say I’m not interested. I would never be interested. Because with an Arabian or a Russian investor, who has the influence over the club, I think there wouldn’t be 80,000 spectators, there would be 20,000. “The people at Chelsea were happy to win the Champions League, but I think the Borussia fans wouldn’t be happy to win it with an Arabian investor because then they wouldn’t be a piece of the club. Then they would only be customers — and they don’t want to be customers. “English clubs must look at Financial Fair Play. It’s not a problem for Manchester United but for clubs who don’t have revenues yet spend money like Monaco. “It’s correct that a club must spend from their revenues. It’s not the way of sport that the club with the richest investor wins. The club that wins should be the one that has the best team and the best management and the best ideas — not only the money. That’s the point.” Football should hope the Dortmund pioneers continue to thrive. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 The big one. Hannover 96 v's Braunschweig tonight. Scheiss Braunschweig!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC_Hitz Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Would love to go and see Frankfurt. My German friends say they have the best fans and that's saying something considering how good German fans are in general. Check this out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocOGKxy7onU Holte End take note. aaaaand...stadium collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 We'd all get thrown out for standing up with our stewards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 11, 2013 Moderator Share Posted November 11, 2013 Thank you Bochum We're now within touching distance of the leaders. Oopsie Union There's also the fairly rare situation of the team bottom of the league not having a negative goal difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 11, 2013 Moderator Share Posted November 11, 2013 Next up. A simple home tie against Union Berlin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC_Hitz Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Yeah, Orlihausen had to keep us in that game or we'd have been buggered. Quite excited by the game next week... a lot riding on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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