robby b Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, chappy said: To be fair to the previous regime, it was 3-1 in India last year. I also think that 1 win in 17 stat that keeps being bandied around in the media is a little disingenuous - obviously it’s not a good look, but you can bend stats to prove a point… in the previous 12 tests before that, they’d won 8/12 (2 draws 2 defeats). Leaving out the Sri Lanka series and first game in India in particular doesn’t really make sense (would make it 4 wins in 20) as after the game in Chennai there was a lot of positivity surrounding the team. Anyway, all in the past now. Love the form that YJB is in at the moment, mad that we’ve cruised to two chases of almost 300 inside two weeks, they really have imported our white ball confidence. Speaking of, have to say Morgan’s legacy must be up there with any English player in any sport?? Something very English about bowing out shortly after getting a golden duck amidst a world record score too Ah, fair enough. Maybe I was thinking of the previous tour of India then, I could have sworn there was a recent 4-0 defeat there. Morgan was amazing, what a legend. : > Edited June 28, 2022 by robby b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterw Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 I was at the Ahmedabad test (third test maybe?)and for two sessions England were comfortbaly the better team and had India I think around 5 or 6 down. By the final session you could see the bowlers visibly wilt in the heat and the Indians took advantage. Added to that Bess bowling poorly meant Anderson (for example) who had been bowling brilliantly in the earlier part of the day was being carted around by I think Pant, when Bess should have been able to tie up one end giving the quicks more tiem to recover. Sending Moeen home didn't help either. That was a test we could easily have taken better advantage of the opportunities we had and 3-1 could easily have been 2-2. I thought we were poorly managed during that tour we contributed to the defeat as much as onfield problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderstudy Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 I think only England have produced test spinners on a par with Michael Bracewell for awfulness over the last decade. Looked like a bargain-bin Dom Bess and that's saying something. I normally think Leach isn't it for England too, but on a pitch that wasn't turning square he put in a real shift especially 2nd innings. That was a big difference. Bracewell was getting carted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 2 hours ago, theunderstudy said: I think only England have produced test spinners on a par with Michael Bracewell for awfulness over the last decade. Looked like a bargain-bin Dom Bess and that's saying something. I normally think Leach isn't it for England too, but on a pitch that wasn't turning square he put in a real shift especially 2nd innings. That was a big difference. Bracewell was getting carted I hope you are not referring to Moeen Ali as hes Englands third leading wicket taker for a spinner of all time . I think Swann gave Leach some good advice and how to get more drift and action on the ball. he bowled a lot more aggressively at Headingly and he was accurate too with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 28, 2022 Moderator Share Posted June 28, 2022 22 minutes ago, PaulC said: Moeen Ali Moeen has been brilliant on the BBC TMS radio and TV highlights coverage of the games. He's a media natural, no hype, no deliberate controversial statements, just honest comment and analysis of the games and players and so informative. Top man. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 hour ago, blandy said: Moeen has been brilliant on the BBC TMS radio and TV highlights coverage of the games. He's a media natural, no hype, no deliberate controversial statements, just honest comment and analysis of the games and players and so informative. Top man. I think he should come back in as opener. Hear me out. He definitely got class about his batting. He can also spin really well, as we all know. He's older, more mature and he can wear new balls down. He isn't any worse with the bat as any of our opening 3. If he gets in, he can accelerate the scoring, further protecting Root when he comes in. He fills 2/3 positions as a single player with his versatility. Young guys coming in will look up to him. He's still got 2/3 years in him because he looks after himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 28, 2022 Moderator Share Posted June 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: I think he should come back in as opener. They tried that previously, IIRC. Maybe away in Sri Lanka. Didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chappy Posted June 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 hour ago, lapal_fan said: He's older, more mature and he can wear new balls down. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 2 hours ago, lapal_fan said: I think he should come back in as opener. Hear me out. He definitely got class about his batting. He can also spin really well, as we all know. He's older, more mature and he can wear new balls down. He isn't any worse with the bat as any of our opening 3. If he gets in, he can accelerate the scoring, further protecting Root when he comes in. He fills 2/3 positions as a single player with his versatility. Young guys coming in will look up to him. He's still got 2/3 years in him because he looks after himself. Would be an option, but does he play any red ball cricket these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderstudy Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 8 hours ago, PaulC said: I hope you are not referring to Moeen Ali as hes Englands third leading wicket taker for a spinner of all time . I think Swann gave Leach some good advice and how to get more drift and action on the ball. he bowled a lot more aggressively at Headingly and he was accurate too with it. My criticism is more to the likes of Kerrigan and Bess and whatever awful first class spinner we've trotted out. Moeen, Leach and Swann probably the only test quality spinners we've seen. I think Bracewell was up there with the crappest test spinners I've watched 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 On 28/06/2022 at 19:28, theunderstudy said: My criticism is more to the likes of Kerrigan and Bess and whatever awful first class spinner we've trotted out. Moeen, Leach and Swann probably the only test quality spinners we've seen. I think Bracewell was up there with the crappest test spinners I've watched Yes Kerrigan got one test and froze although id seen him bowl warwickshire out a couple of times. I think under the new regime their will be less pressure on players and far less fear of failure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Barnard leaving Worcs to join the bears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robby b Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Come on England ! Get a draw at home with that India please ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Didn't realise another series was on. Good start from our bowlers, it's bound to go tits up now I've put the radio on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 22 minutes ago, rjw63 said: Didn't realise another series was on. Good start from our bowlers, it's bound to go tits up now I've put the radio on. It’s not another series, it’s finishing the series from last year (or year before, it’s all morphing into one these days) but the final game had to be cancelled after a covid outbreak in the Indian camp. I figured they would just scrap it but they seem committed to finishing the 5 game series (it’s currently 2-1 to India, FYI). What is it with 6th wicket stands lately?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imavillan Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Bears off to a good start. 172/4 - 15 overs put into bat by Yorkshire shite stream from Yorkshire cricket though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imavillan Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) Bears innings 238/5 Mousley 50 off 22 balls 63 no off 25 balls Stirling 81 off 41 good knock, would love to see them reach finals day Edited July 1, 2022 by imavillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imavillan Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Great win for the Bears 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderstudy Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 England letting a middle order run away with the score again, there's a shocker. Pant and Jadeja far more dynamic than Mitchell and Blundell but the same headache. When you've got India 5 down for around 100 you've got to really press that advantage home. Happened 4/4 times under Stokes now so wondering if it's his captaincy decisions. Top order getting skittled for little and then the middle order making huge runs is becoming his sides signature, for both fielding and Batting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderstudy Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 3 hours ago, theunderstudy said: England letting a middle order run away with the score again, there's a shocker. Pant and Jadeja far more dynamic than Mitchell and Blundell but the same headache. When you've got India 5 down for around 100 you've got to really press that advantage home. Happened 4/4 times under Stokes now so wondering if it's his captaincy decisions. Top order getting skittled for little and then the middle order making huge runs is becoming his sides signature, for both fielding and Batting This morning has confirmed it. Utter, utter lunacy. Game fully gone now, barring another miracle. Why do we bowl meticulously planning-wise at the top half and then as soon as we're facing bowlers Broad and Stokes and co are bowling shite short balls to try and bounce them out? They're so desperate to get in there and bat that they're allowing teams to add 100 runs on for fun. Absolutely catastrophic captaincy by Stokes and another chance for Lees and Crawley to waste everyone's time opening up... Lees literally already gone after 3 overs this morning. England seem to think being aggressive means throwing control of the game back to teams. India haven't got an absolute Turkey like Michael Bracewell for you to smash 200 runs off per match. And neither do Australia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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