villan-scott Posted January 28 VT Supporter Share Posted January 28 Villa fan as a kid according to the Mirror article earlier today. Get him in! he’s one of our own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDVILLAIN Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, alreadyexists said: £15m is absolutely nothing these days. Yeah its about 14.99 million more than i have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, foreveryoung said: I think the moan is, we are fighting for top 4 and shopping in Aldi while the likes of Brentford are shopping in Waitrose. I just hope its FFP related. Brentford's signings this window consist of a Spurs reject who has spent the last 2 years bouncing around from loan to loan, an 18 year old prospect from Turkey, an 18 year old prospect from Belgium (who they're loaning back because he doesn't even regularly start for his Belgian club yet) and a backup keeper. Waitrose might be a bit of a stretch. Rogers is more likely to hit the ground running than any of those signings... Edited January 28 by wishywashy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman22 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Mind blown! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jacketspuds Posted January 28 Popular Post Share Posted January 28 Rogers proved against Chelsea that he could create something from nothing against a PL team, and that was after we had already identified him as a transfer target. We need someone like that, and £15m for a 21-year old English player (and apparent Villa fan) is a bargain. Diaby has proved that spending big money on players doesn’t guarantee instant results. Rogers is the sort of signing we would look at enviably if another PL team signed him. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post useless Posted January 28 Popular Post Share Posted January 28 Rogers is a hugely promising player, it's not some mystery why we would be interested in him One of the most highly rated academy players in the country, hence Man CIty paying £3m for him as a sixteen year old His first loan was as an eighteen year old at Lincoln where he got six goals and four assists in twenty odd appearances, that would be like Kellyman or Young going to League One now and averaging a goal or assist every other game His loan at Bournemouth seemingly didn't work out, but he was injured for a big chunk of it, he still would have only been nineteen that season, so just getting game time before his injury with one of the better teams in the Championship serves as a sign of what he had achieved to reach that point at such a young age At Blackpool his stats don't look impressive and Morgan himself is frustrated he didn't do better, but I had a look on a Blackpool forum and they were quite postive about him, most rating him as their best signing that summer, bearing in mind some of their other signings included the the likes of Rhys Williams, Josh Bowler, and Charlie Pationo who I've seen people on here ask that we should sign, again at this point he still would have been around twenty, playing in one of the poorer teams in the Championship Which brings us to this season where it's obviously going pretty well for him, playing in a new position which is getting more out of his technical ability and vision, I think I saw a stat suggesting he's one of the most creative players in the Championship in terms of creating chances, he's also apparently very good defensively His goals and assist stats in the Championship aren't bad at all when you take a closer look, four goals and eight assists in thirty games worth of football, which is pretty good bearing in mind how young he is, and the Middlesbrough team he's been doing well in aren't exactly the strongest as a team, spent most of this season in the lower half Watching highlights of him alone at Championship level shows what massive potential he has, it's evident that put him in a better team and his stats would look much better, I remember watching him for Lincoln in the play-offs, I was specifically interested in watching him at that time because he came from the Albion academy and there had been a lot of hype surrounding him, he was good then, but if highlights are anything to by looks to have come on a lot, and developed into a more all round player. I think could be a really promising option for the Ramsey or Buendia role in the team, and can probably play several other positions beside those 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Low risk potential high reward player … we will have the inside track of his ability, character, potential etc from Harrison. Highly rated enough for Citeh to spend £4mill on rising to £8mill, yes that didn’t work out they saw his potential. Don’t understand the doubts myself. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Interesting useless giving his backstory above, didn't realise he's had a few loans so clearly this is a lad who wants to get out and play rather than just play for the Man. City youth sides until he's 21/22. I've got the feel this guy has similar trajectory to Brennan Johnson. He was linked to us a bit last summer but clearly we didn't want to pay the 50m as Spurs did. So someone who's still a bit raw and unproven but has already shown good form in the lower leagues is worth a go at 15m I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 6 minutes ago, thabucks said: Low risk potential high reward player … we will have the inside track of his ability, character, potential etc from Harrison. Highly rated enough for Citeh to spend £4mill on rising to £8mill, yes that didn’t work out they saw his potential. Don’t understand the doubts myself. Yeah, same. I know people want OMG CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOOTBALL RIGHT NOW! but we also have to manage the club long term, ensuring we comply with FFP having already spent an absolute shedload on players. Even if Rogers costs £15m, that's £3m/season for a 5 year deal. Azaz went for £2m; costs basically covered - and we bring in an exciting talent who is doing well in the Championship and is only 21. For some reason, there's a snobbiness about signing players from the Championship. It's almost like we've entirely forgotten about Watkins and Konsa - the latter in particular has an almost identical story to Rogers, just without the Man City academy bit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 10 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Not sure why people laugh at this comment, is it not true? . Some have being saying they are happy finishing the season 5th or 6th. Some have agreed, we are within touching distance of 'finishing' in the top 4, so that's what we wanna push for, as I'm sure Emery does. Where is your proof that signing Rogers will not aid this pursuit ? What is your rational to doubt the data led recruitment department ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted January 28 VT Supporter Share Posted January 28 2 hours ago, CVByrne said: Just so you know, about half a year minimum goes into scouting a player before a club would get to the point of bidding for them. The fact we played Boro is just incidental Thanks for the info, very good idea, in an ideal world where no injuries exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 10 minutes ago, bobzy said: Yeah, same. I know people want OMG CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOOTBALL RIGHT NOW! but we also have to manage the club long term, ensuring we comply with FFP having already spent an absolute shedload on players. Even if Rogers costs £15m, that's £3m/season for a 5 year deal. Azaz went for £2m; costs basically covered - and we bring in an exciting talent who is doing well in the Championship and is only 21. For some reason, there's a snobbiness about signing players from the Championship. It's almost like we've entirely forgotten about Watkins and Konsa - the latter in particular has an almost identical story to Rogers, just without the Man City academy bit. People seem to be forgetting the business we did in the summer, Pau, Tielemans and Diaby. Those are the players to get us top 4, not Rogers. Also feels like someone like Zaniolo is getting a very easy ride off our fanbase. He can get away with scoring one more goal this season and Rogers will get the criticism instead if we fall down to 5th, that's a pretty strange way of looking at things when Zaniolo is vastly experienced in Italy and at european level so expectations should be far higher with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo Waring Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 Swapped Azaz for Rogers. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewieGriffin Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 50 minutes ago, Herman22 said: Mind blown! That right there answers the questions about why part-exchange transfers don't happen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AndyClarke Posted January 28 Popular Post Share Posted January 28 (edited) He's quality, has great pedigree and a fantastic physique for a footballer. This has every chance of being a wonderful signing, particularly in January, I hope we don't loan him back until the Summer. Signing a young, in form (with stats to back it up), highly regarded player for £15million would be a great bit of business, not much to lose here even if it doesn't work out. Comparison with JPB and AJ are not relevant, neither are physical enough to play in the Premier League (or at least weren't when they left). I've watched them both (particularly AJ) run rings around the opposition at u21 level and below but the physical side is massive when you get to the big boys, doesn't mean you can't make it but makes it considerably harder. Archer, as game as he is (and I am so pleased at what he has achieved so far) is a headless chicken compared to Rogers who is a real proper player. Let's wait and see, I think we'll be delighted, I also think he'll play through the middle. Edited January 28 by AndyClarke 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete101 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 4 minutes ago, Pongo Waring said: Swapped Azaz for Rogers. Nice. The azaz deal covers the money on the sheet for this year but you would need an azaz type sale each year 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 minutes ago, pete101 said: The azaz deal covers the money on the sheet for this year but you would need an azaz type sale each year Rogers seems similar to Jacob Ramsey. People keep speculating if we'll sell a key player in the summer for FFP reasons with Luiz etc being suggested. Maybe Ramsey for the pure profit aspect and Rogers viewed as a replacement 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepal_villan Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) Part of why I have reservations about this potential deal is because it's not just about the merits of the purchase but the opportunity costs. The money we spend on Rogers is money that won't be available elsewhere. It could be the difference in going for a very good 35M player or a top class 50M one in the summer. I'm also a bit stumped as to why we completed the Azaz sale before getting the Rogers deal across the line. That's just negotiation 101, no? - especially if Rogers has been in our sights for some time, as several here are claiming. Edited January 28 by nepal_villan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 58 minutes ago, jacketspuds said: Rogers proved against Chelsea that he could create something from nothing against a PL team, and that was after we had already identified him as a transfer target. We need someone like that, and £15m for a 21-year old English player (and apparent Villa fan) is a bargain. Diaby has proved that spending big money on players doesn’t guarantee instant results. Rogers is the sort of signing we would look at enviably if another PL team signed him. Actually he was quite the hit instantly. 3 goals and 5 assists in the first 10 league games, always looked dangerous. Problem is he fell off a cliff after that for whatever reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete101 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Rogers seems similar to Jacob Ramsey. People keep speculating if we'll sell a key player in the summer for FFP reasons with Luiz etc being suggested. Maybe Ramsey for the pure profit aspect and Rogers viewed as a replacement I could be wrong but I see him as Ollie's understudy, really like Duran but I can see him leaving in the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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