Alakagom Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Greeks already adjusted schedule so Olympiacos has free midweek between legs... We should ask the same given we're ahead of everyone anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 2 hours ago, John said: Coral have us evens favourites to lift the trophy and Olympiacos are at 9/1. Those bookies know their stuff, they've had us favourites since the start. This drives me mad .... I'm sorry. Bookies respond to betting patterns and don't have some magic insight. If anything you might point to The wisdom of the crowd, where competing punters are the crowd. Quote Aristotle is credited as the first person to write about the "wisdom of the crowd" in his work Politics. According to Aristotle, "it is possible that the many, though not individually good men, yet when they come together may be better, not individually but collectively ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted April 19 VT Supporter Share Posted April 19 4 hours ago, DaveAV1 said: First leg at home, no penalty shootout to worry about, stick 3 or 4 past them and we’re happy to play away to book another trip to Greece at the end of the month. European final on a warm day in May, ring any Bells??? UTV!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are they claret and blue, claret and blue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 19 hours ago, Follyfoot said: Are they claret and blue, claret and blue? The bells will be ringing for the claret and blue that’s for sure!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted April 20 Administrator Share Posted April 20 This is not the thread to talk about specific games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 23 hours ago, fruitvilla said: This drives me mad .... I'm sorry. Bookies respond to betting patterns and don't have some magic insight. If anything you might point to The wisdom of the crowd, where competing punters are the crowd. There are staff that the bookmakers employ specifically to make the odds on racing, football, cricket etc. They do have regard to the bets already placed, but also to form. Their job relies on them getting it right more often than not and that determination is influenced by, but not over reliant on betting patterns, they have to use their own sporting knowledge too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb_82 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Interesting....scouser said to me about the farmers comp we are in so i admit i took the bait.... Based on uefa coeffient club rankings We have played AZ 42 Ajax 24 Lille 44 and Olympiakos to come 48 Only top 50 team they played was Atalanta who battered them! Gave me a good come back but I also thinks the strength of some of the teams we have played - Fiorintina 50th and Bruge 25th means IF we got through we would face another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomC Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 (edited) On 19/04/2024 at 01:37, Follyfoot said: They any good? I watched the extra time between Olympiakos and Fenerbahce and wasn't much impressed by either. Olympiakos is the dominant power in Greek football (47 league titles all time compared to 40 for everyone else combined), but after a run of 19 titles in 21 years, they've won "only" 3 of the last 6. They are currently 4th in a close 4-way title race. In short, they've regressed to the level of the rest of Greek football. I'm not saying that it will be easy, but a 4th place Premier League team should not lose to them over two legs. Edited April 22 by TomC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 (edited) 52 minutes ago, TomC said: I watched the extra time between Olympiakos and Fenerbahce and wasn't much impressed by either. Olympiakos is the dominant power in Greek football (47 league titles all time compared to 40 for everyone else combined), but after a run of 19 titles in 21 years, they've won "only" 3 of the last 6. They are currently 4th in a close 4-way title race. In short, they've regressed to the level of the rest of Greek football. I'm not saying that it will be easy, but a 4th place Premier League team should not lose to them over two legs. Suprised to see them as big as 7/1 Same price as Sheffield United to beat Man Utd at OT on Wednesday! Edited April 22 by Kingman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkiller1981 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Just a thought and I’m not getting ahead of myself here because I think it applies whoever gets to the final but it seems crazy that the final will take place in a 32000 capacity stadium. It’s smaller than 3 of the 4 semi finalist stadium and probably smaller than 50% of the premier league grounds. I would say if we got to the final we could sell that out twice over easily and probably the same for fiorentina maybe when the other 2 sides as well. Seems odd to me given the likehood is that the final will in most seasons have a at least one finalist from Italy, England, Germany or France and probably very often both sides will come from those countries and take a decent support. I know the are some “small” teams from smaller nations but I still would have thought uefa might have the foresight to put this final in a bigger ground 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 23 Moderator Share Posted April 23 i think that's a UEFA thinking problem. I think they invented this competition to give smaller teams a chance of success in Europe and picked the stadiums for finals to match that idea - the problem is that beyond the 'giants' of the Champions league there are a large number of really good clubs with massive histories that have been slightly marginalised because of Champions league and TV money - those teams don't have 10,000 fans who want to go to a final, they have 80,000 - and I think once UEFA realise the actual nature of the competition they created, they'll start looking at the same quality of stadium they use for their other finals. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: i think that's a UEFA thinking problem. I think they invented this competition to give smaller teams a chance of success in Europe and picked the stadiums for finals to match that idea - the problem is that beyond the 'giants' of the Champions league there are a large number of really good clubs with massive histories that have been slightly marginalised because of Champions league and TV money - those teams don't have 10,000 fans who want to go to a final, they have 80,000 - and I think once UEFA realise the actual nature of the competition they created, they'll start looking at the same quality of stadium they use for their other finals. Haven't they already done that, in next year's final is in a 40k stadium? The first one was in Tirana with a ridiculous capacity of twenty odd thousand when they ended up with Roma and Feyenoord playing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 23 Moderator Share Posted April 23 27 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: Haven't they already done that, in next year's final is in a 40k stadium? The first one was in Tirana with a ridiculous capacity of twenty odd thousand when they ended up with Roma and Feyenoord playing. They're getting there - next years final could be Man Utd against Valencia though - they really should be looking at 60k plus for all of their finals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 13 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: They're getting there - next years final could be Man Utd against Valencia though - they really should be looking at 60k plus for all of their finals. Perhaps they genuinely thought the higher placed sides in the weaker leagues would progress more to the final than so far Italian, , English and Dutch sides. Or they want to clearly distinguish it from the Europa by picking smaller venues. But as a minimum it should be 40-50 K, with maybe Europa at 50-60 and CL finals 70 plus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceemo Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 So similar to Lille, the Greek League has pushed back the end of their season by a week and so allowed Olympiacos a week between both legs with no game in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkiller1981 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 22 hours ago, Ceemo said: So similar to Lille, the Greek League has pushed back the end of their season by a week and so allowed Olympiacos a week between both legs with no game in between. We beat Lille even with them getting a week off. Sometimes I’m not sure it’s as much of an advantage in reality as it looks on paper especially with the way we play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 On 25/04/2024 at 18:05, punkiller1981 said: We beat Lille even with them getting a week off. Sometimes I’m not sure it’s as much of an advantage in reality as it looks on paper especially with the way we play They should have won the game though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 On 22/04/2024 at 13:41, cb_82 said: Fiorintina 50th and Bruge 25th means IF we got through we would face another If it's a Villa / Fiorentina final, save for a) some moment of magic from Bonaventura or González or b) some colossal brainfart performance by Villa, the final is going to be a slaughter. Fiorentina have just about managed to squeak through to the semis via some very poor teams, have been perennial choke artists whenever they've had any recent sniff of silverware, form has absolutely nosedived since the new year and they're already bracing for another summer of turmoil (talk of having to sell González to fund another overhaul of the squad) as Italiano won't sign a new contract so is as good as gone come the end of the season. All that against the backdrop of Joe Barone's death as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkiller1981 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 11 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: They should have won the game though. Yeah they probably should have but they didn’t so that weeks rest didn’t help them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewieGriffin Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Anyone know why the Brugge-Fiorentina 2nd leg is being played on the Wednesday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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