MWARLEY2 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 32 minutes ago, MaVilla said: been thinking about the "Unai taking us to Europe thing". tbh, the more i think about it, the more i think Emery having a chance of winning/not winning a European Competition isnt the issue. The issue is, that in places like Spain (La Liga), there is i think more opportunity for up and coming teams to have a chance to even qualify for Europe in the first place, there is effectively the big 2 (Barca/R.Madrid), then maybe just below them Atlético, after that i think its very much open to a team performing well having a good chance of Champions League Qualification, or Europa League etc, as their qualifying is guaranteed that the top 6 all get some form of European Football, however as i mentioned, they only really have a big 2, followed by Atlético, the rest of the field is fairly open to teams who perform. Compare that with the PL, where only the top 5 is guaranteed some form of european football (then the 2 cups, or passed to league depending on cup results), but there is also a very defined "big 6" (rather than the La Liga big 2), in Man City, Manure, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs & Liverpool, tbh its much harder to try and break in to those top 6, and with the general quality of 2-3 of the teams outside the top 6, even quite hard to break in to the top 8. I suppose my point is, the hardest job for Emery long term, is to even break in to the European places, or even the top 8, as its much harder than other leagues to do so. And the great thing is that he comes in knowing that. 15 consecutive seasons in Europe and he is willing to give that up in order to manage us. He enjoys being the underdog. Suits his non arrogant personality. In terms of personnel ( on paper ) we are somewhere around 9th. In terms of manager i would only put him below Pep and Klopp and maybe Conte. And at the same level as Arteta ( who is now proving he is elite ) and lopetegui. So a top 6 manager with a top 9 squad. Going to be interesting to see how it pans out . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Tom13 said: I've watched Unai cam at least 17 times Say this with a Spanish accent and it takes on a whole new meaning... unless that's what you actually meant. Edited November 9, 2022 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DaveAV1 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 2 hours ago, MaVilla said: been thinking about the "Unai taking us to Europe thing". tbh, the more i think about it, the more i think Emery having a chance of winning/not winning a European Competition isnt the issue. The issue is, that in places like Spain (La Liga), there is i think more opportunity for up and coming teams to have a chance to even qualify for Europe in the first place, there is effectively the big 2 (Barca/R.Madrid), then maybe just below them Atlético, after that i think its very much open to a team performing well having a good chance of Champions League Qualification, or Europa League etc, as their qualifying is guaranteed that the top 6 all get some form of European Football, however as i mentioned, they only really have a big 2, followed by Atlético, the rest of the field is fairly open to teams who perform. Compare that with the PL, where only the top 5 is guaranteed some form of european football (then the 2 cups, or passed to league depending on cup results), but there is also a very defined "big 6" (rather than the La Liga big 2), in Man City, Manure, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs & Liverpool, tbh its much harder to try and break in to those top 6, and with the general quality of 2-3 of the teams outside the top 6, even quite hard to break in to the top 8. I suppose my point is, the hardest job for Emery long term, is to even break in to the European places, or even the top 8, as its much harder than other leagues to do so. That’s a good point, but we just have to win the League Cup once then once we’re qualified we can perpetually win the Europa League. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 3 hours ago, MaVilla said: been thinking about the "Unai taking us to Europe thing". tbh, the more i think about it, the more i think Emery having a chance of winning/not winning a European Competition isnt the issue. The issue is, that in places like Spain (La Liga), there is i think more opportunity for up and coming teams to have a chance to even qualify for Europe in the first place, there is effectively the big 2 (Barca/R.Madrid), then maybe just below them Atlético, after that i think its very much open to a team performing well having a good chance of Champions League Qualification, or Europa League etc, as their qualifying is guaranteed that the top 6 all get some form of European Football, however as i mentioned, they only really have a big 2, followed by Atlético, the rest of the field is fairly open to teams who perform. Compare that with the PL, where only the top 5 is guaranteed some form of european football (then the 2 cups, or passed to league depending on cup results), but there is also a very defined "big 6" (rather than the La Liga big 2), in Man City, Manure, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs & Liverpool, tbh its much harder to try and break in to those top 6, and with the general quality of 2-3 of the teams outside the top 6, even quite hard to break in to the top 8. I suppose my point is, the hardest job for Emery long term, is to even break in to the European places, or even the top 8, as its much harder than other leagues to do so. It's definitely more difficult getting into Europe in the PL compared to La Liga, but the last few seasons West Ham, Leicester, Wolves and even Burnley have all managed it. No reason we can't One thing about the 'Big 6' is that there are only 4 CL spots, one of them always implodes and has a terrible season, we just have to take advantage of it when they do. Although the progression of Newcastle has just made it more difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Laughable Chimp Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, gwi1890 said: It’s a no brainer isn’t it? One it’s a trophy and two it’s a gateway into Europe. It’s shocking how many teams don’t put the effort into a cup run. The prize money for winning the cups is essentially nothing, that’s why. Europe isn’t that great too, unless its the CL. Especially if it could threaten the league performances with the increase in match load. The premier league is just massively more important for clubs like us. Like, from a fan perspective, of course it would be cool to see our club win a trophy and be in europe, but from a more material perspective, they really are not worth the effort Edited November 9, 2022 by Laughable Chimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talldarkandransome Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, villan-scott said: Before I enlarged the top one I thought that was Gary Neville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Worlds of difference - we pay £5.2m for multiple European trophy winning Emery, Southampton pay £4m for somebody I’ve never heard of and never managed at the top level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imavillan Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 I read a post on twitter today that on home match days the squad will be getting a coach from Bodymoor Heath to VP so the players can be more focussed before hand. Don't know if this is true or Twitter shite, but if it is true then its another part of his attention to detail and professionalism. It kind of makes sense for them all to arrive together rather than between a certain time.Pretty much as they do for away games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 8 hours ago, MaVilla said: been thinking about the "Unai taking us to Europe thing". tbh, the more i think about it, the more i think Emery having a chance of winning/not winning a European Competition isnt the issue. The issue is, that in places like Spain (La Liga), there is i think more opportunity for up and coming teams to have a chance to even qualify for Europe in the first place, there is effectively the big 2 (Barca/R.Madrid), then maybe just below them Atlético, after that i think its very much open to a team performing well having a good chance of Champions League Qualification, or Europa League etc, as their qualifying is guaranteed that the top 6 all get some form of European Football, however as i mentioned, they only really have a big 2, followed by Atlético, the rest of the field is fairly open to teams who perform. Compare that with the PL, where only the top 5 is guaranteed some form of european football (then the 2 cups, or passed to league depending on cup results), but there is also a very defined "big 6" (rather than the La Liga big 2), in Man City, Manure, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs & Liverpool, tbh its much harder to try and break in to those top 6, and with the general quality of 2-3 of the teams outside the top 6, even quite hard to break in to the top 8. I suppose my point is, the hardest job for Emery long term, is to even break in to the European places, or even the top 8, as its much harder than other leagues to do so. I'd say that's one reason he's took the job on. He loves the challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Digne and Kamara staying means we have a lot of players here during the WC which is good news. Probably losing 3 or 4 at most? Mini pre season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burchy Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Am I right in thinking they’re off to Dubai for this mini preseason? I keep seeing it mentioned on Twitter but seen nowt official Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Pissflaps said: Manageable then basically! yeah seems so, outside of Cash and Donk, i dont think any of the others will have any real impact on a mini pre-season (maybe Marty if he needs to work on playing out as some sort of sweeper keeper, but not the end of the world i dont think?) I feel much more confident about an Emery "mini pre-season" than i did about the two Gerrard debacle "mini pre-seasons"...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Picked a weaker team tonight Lets hope his tactics are good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Rather get the 3 points against Brighton. Don’t see the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishVilla10 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, dudevillaisnice said: Rather get the 3 points against Brighton. Don’t see the problem. The cups give us an opportunity to win a trophy and qualify for Europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, dudevillaisnice said: Rather get the 3 points against Brighton. Don’t see the problem. also he will get to look at other players more closely to see who to get rid of in January. We have enough to win the game vs this United team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjackle Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 I liked how proactive he was with the subs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Thought Emery was fine tonight. Could understand wanting to give Olsen a chance but hopefully he'll have learned a lesson from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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