dont_do_it_doug. Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Although I am a huge Dylan fan, I can see why people may not like him. I could never class him in the overrated category because he is one of the best songwriters of all time. Look at the list of artists that has covered his songshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artists_who_have_covered_Bob_Dylan_songs Yes he has a terrible voice but I'd rather have a songwriter who can't sing than the other way around. Unlike The Beatles, almost every single artist he has strongly influenced has been equally dull and uninspiring. I blame Dylan for everything, he's the musical Mark Delaney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 But Dylan also had an influence on the Beatles music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 But Dylan also had an influence on the Beatles music. Pft, where? The shit drug fueled stuff maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Yep probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 They influenced each other, certainly. The Beatles got good when they became, like Dylan, more introspective. Dylan got better when he ditched folk (kind of) and aimed for a wider audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 True, Dylan was there idol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troon_villan Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 But Dylan also had an influence on the Beatles music. Not sure about that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 16, 2014 Moderator Share Posted November 16, 2014 But Dylan also had an influence on the Beatles music. Not sure about that one.Dylan gave the Schmeatles Pot for the first time, their music and outlook completely changed almost overnight. Lyrically they became more introspective and they jumped on the psychedelic bandwagon as they experimented with more drugs. Wouldn't have happened without Dylan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 16, 2014 Author Share Posted November 16, 2014 This tune seems like a clear case of style-pilfering: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 lBut Dylan also had an influence on the Beatles music. Not sure about that one.Dylan gave the Schmeatles Pot for the first time, their music and outlook completely changed almost overnight. Lyrically they became more introspective and they jumped on the psychedelic bandwagon as they experimented with more drugs. Wouldn't have happened without Dylan Maybe Dylan wouldn't have happened without Guthrie . Tbh did not really equate pot with psychedelia . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 16, 2014 Moderator Share Posted November 16, 2014 lBut Dylan also had an influence on the Beatles music. Not sure about that one.Dylan gave the Schmeatles Pot for the first time, their music and outlook completely changed almost overnight. Lyrically they became more introspective and they jumped on the psychedelic bandwagon as they experimented with more drugs. Wouldn't have happened without DylanMaybe Dylan wouldn't have happened without Guthrie . Tbh did not really equate pot with psychedelia .Gateway drug, the Beatles were relatively clean living before the Dylan / Pot meeting. It didn't take them long to discover LSD after that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 drugs can do wonders for a band but ultimately it will destroy them from the inside out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 It was LSD that **** Brian Wilson up for decades. It's a miracle that not only is he still alive today but during his reclusive stage he still managed to produce some amazing stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 It was LSD that **** Brian Wilson up for decades. It's a miracle that not only is he still alive today but during his reclusive stage he still managed to produce some amazing stuff Yeah, wasn't he sat in a swimming pool filled with sand, wearing a fireman’s helmet, while writing Smile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 It was LSD that **** Brian Wilson up for decades. It's a miracle that not only is he still alive today but during his reclusive stage he still managed to produce some amazing stuff Yeah, wasn't he sat in a swimming pool filled with sand, wearing a fireman’s helmet, while writing Smile? Almost. The sandbox was real, as was the teepee/tent in his living room. The swimming pool was where he held business meetings with incredulous Capitol Records execs who really didn't want to talk business in the water. Firemans helmet was also real, at the recordings for Mrs O'Leary's Cow he got all the studio musicians to wear fireman helmets whilst a bucket of wood and paper was burning. There's also a promo movie of the band on a firetruck. </anorak> 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 As a complete amateur on Beach Boys / Brian Wilson, is the LSD thing why he appears to be so, 'slow' when he's in anything currently? Essentially, is he drug fried, or does he have an unrelated ailment, or have I just judged a thoroughly sorted and stable human very harshly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 As a complete amateur on Beach Boys / Brian Wilson, is the LSD thing why he appears to be so, 'slow' when he's in anything currently? Essentially, is he drug fried, or does he have an unrelated ailment, or have I just judged a thoroughly sorted and stable human very harshly? No he's definitely not "all there" due to years of drug abuse. But sometimes if you watch some of his youtube interviews, he seems really sharp and with-it. Other times he's just not really "there". He's also almost deaf in one ear, but he's had that since he was a kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 drugs can do wonders for a band but ultimately it can destroy them from the inside out. Many bands enjoy a long life of moderate drug abuse. It's more excess, and being able to afford to sustain it. Combine that with volatile or fragile personalities, characteristics of many gifted artists, and bits start falling off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogso Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Re bands and drugs rather than overratednesslessness hell yi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshVilla Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Dream Theater are pretty overrated nowadays. I think their older stuff was fantastic (pretty much everything pre-Octavarium, with the odd exception), but now they sound like a cover band of themselves. They're still top notch musicians, but it's a shame to hear how they've turned out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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